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Westministenders Continues. The one where are being grateful for having a Boris rather than a Trump and UKIP show Labour how it’s done.

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RedToothBrush · 04/08/2016 22:18

THE BREXIT FALLOUT CONTINUES - THREAD TWELVE

The calm of the eye of the storm is upon us. The signs are there that more trouble is ahead. What now for Brexit, the blank cheque for our future?

May’s honeymoon can only last the Summer, until she has to do some proper graft. Her Cabinet have all gone on holiday and to swat up on their new specialised subject, and by god have they got some homework to do.

Well, all of them apart from Liam Fox, who has bugger all to do for some time.

Johnson needs to… well we all know what Boris needs to do. Bend over and take it like a good boy.

Davies needs to learn the entire structure and workings of the EU and its variations of trade agreements and relationships with other nations. Juncker has the FUKD in his little black book of people who have crossed him (yes, he actually has one of these) and has put Brit Hating Barnier in charge of the EU Brexit team. Davies must somehow hold his own against this experienced EU hardnut. In French. Oh and find a permanent office.

What do the others need to learn? Hammond - how to perform a bloody miracle. Patel - it is illegal to use foreign aid as a leverage for trade deals. Leadsom – er everything? Rudd – how to do bigger assault on liberty and human rights than her mentor. Fallon – how we will afford to defend ourselves with pitch forks, especially if we can’t use Trident for some reason and it becomes necessary. Our enemy; Russia? North Korea? Turkey? Isis? Na. Trump if he wins.

Brexit is now officially in the hands Whitehall’s unbelievers. Those overstretched officials who are already saying there is a gap in their capacity to deliver what Parliament wants without additional the burden of Brexit. These discredited experts are left wondering if their challenge is, in reality, Mission Impossible, and this is made worse by the pressure that just about every senior Brexiteer seems to say is ‘easy’ despite all the mounting evidence to the contrary. Which is cold comfort to everyone who voted – Remain or Leave alike.

We still don’t even know what Brexit is. It is still something which has no coherent ideology and no clear set of prescriptions for what ailes us as a society. It is a bundle of contradictions, united chiefly by what, and who, it opposes. Whatever the problem, Brexit can fix it. Whatever the threat, internal or external, Brexit can vanquish it, and it is unnecessary for Brexiteers to explain how.

May’s plan? Some say that she is the Dear Leader, some say she is an evil genius with Larry the Cat on her lap waiting for the Brexiteer Boys to fuck it up so we can Remain, some say she is blessed by the Ghost of Thatcher but we know her as The PM. –Sorry I’ve been itching to make the May/Hammond Top Gear gag for several weeks— The truth is, we just don't know yet.

Plus anything Brexit related about the Labour and UKIP leadership and the rest of the world thrown in to boot.

This is the quest for the answers that everyone wants and trying to keep an eye on those politicians and accountability (both here and abroad in the era of post-fact politics in the trail of Brexit). There maybe no single ‘truth’ but there sure as hell is a lot of bullshit to wade through. Get your wellies out, and plough on through with us.

No experience necessary. Sense of humour required.

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Brexit Fall Out Timetable
Labour Hustings Nottinghamshire: Wednesday 17th August
Labour Hustings Birmingham: Thursday 18th August.
Labour Hustings Glasgow: Thursday 25th August.
Labour Hustings London: Thursday 1st September
UKIP Leadership Result: 15th September
Labour Leadership Result: Saturday 24th September
The Department for Exiting the European Union first question sessions in Parliament: Thursday 20th October
High Court hearing on a50: due 'no earlier than the third week in October'
US Presidential Election: 8th November
French Presidential Election 1st Round: 23 April 2017
French Presidential Election 2nd Round: 7th May 2017
German Federal Election: Between 27 August and 22 October 2017

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PattyPenguin · 30/08/2016 21:43

The Grauniad's story about the varied viewpoints on the post-Brexit situation. www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/30/divisions-emerge-as-whitehall-draws-up-brexit-scenarios

prettybird · 30/08/2016 21:51

"There are more people who've walked on the Moon than there are Labour MPs in East, South-East & South-West England"

Not sure that that is the sort of comparison Conservatives (or Labour Wink) want to get into.

There used to be a saying in Scotland that there were more Giant Pandas in Scotland than there were Conservative MPs Grin. Now the same can be said for Labour MPs Shock and we try to forget about the LibDem MP Wink

SwedishEdith · 30/08/2016 22:04

Post- Brexit 45% of people would like to return to imperial measurements for produce

But the 55% have spoken!

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3258360/Metric-vs-imperial-How-the-law-stands.html

winkywinkola · 30/08/2016 23:02

Backward looking. Always to the past. Never progressive.

SwedishEdith · 30/08/2016 23:30

Ian Katz ‏@iankatz1000 26m26 minutes ago
Interesting straw in #Brexit wind....Whitehall source tells @nicholaswatt unlikely UK will get passporting for financial services #newsnight

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Peregrina · 31/08/2016 08:07

I don't actually agree that brainstorming in itself is worrying - some good ideas can coalesce out of it. What is worrying is that this is more than two months after the Referendum - this is work which should have been done at least a year ago, but David Cameron was too pig headed to allow it to happen.

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nauticant · 31/08/2016 10:27

David Cameron was too pig headed

That really can be read a number of ways.

nauticant · 31/08/2016 10:40

I think it was the job of the Leavers to come up with the plan, but it seems they weren't bright enough to do that or didn't believe it would happen either.

The reality is that at the top of the Leave campaign the plan was to have no plan:

dominiccummings.wordpress.com/2015/06/23/on-the-referendum-6-exit-plans-and-a-second-referendum/ (this has been posted a number of times before)

It might have been cynical but events showed it was effective. Lands us all in the shit with half the country at the other half's throat but who cares so long as it's a win.

RedToothBrush · 31/08/2016 12:28

AND NOW WE BRAINSTORM ABOUT WHAT BREXIT MEANS BREXIT ACTUALLY MEANS:

David Allen Green
‏@DavidAllenGreen

Brainstorms
Really
Encourage
eXcellent
Innovative
Thinking

"There," says Theresa May, putting down her marker pen.

Mark Anderson ‏@IPDraughts · 2h2 hours ago  South East, England

@DavidAllenGreen
Because
Really
Everyone
eXpects
Immediate
Termination

Mark Anderson ‏@IPDraughts · 2h2 hours ago  South East, England

@DavidAllenGreen
Britain
Repeat
England
eXits
International
Trade

True Defective ‏@MilitaryCoo · 2h2 hours ago

@DavidAllenGreen
Brexit
Really
Empowers
Xenophobic
Internet
Tossers

John Keenan ‏@JournoJohnK · 2h2 hours ago

@DavidAllenGreen "George has sent a note."
Reads from crumpled Treasury stationery
"Brussels
Rejects
Expect
Xclusive
Influence.
Twits."

tokyorav ‏@tokyorav · 1h1 hour ago

@DavidAllenGreen

More like

Boris'
Really
Enormous
Xylophone

Is
Terrifying

lee caldicott ‏@elvisthecat44 · 1h1 hour ago

@DavidAllenGreen
Brainstorms
Really
Encourage
Xenophobic
Inward
Thinking

Richard Francis ‏@LinguaFrancis · 2h2 hours ago

@DavidAllenGreen

Brainstorming
Rural
Escape,
Xeroxed
Itineraries
Tabled

Although why they'd photocopy blank agendas is beyond me.

Matthew Brownnutt ‏@MattBrownnutt · 2h2 hours ago

@DavidAllenGreen
Britain
Rarely
Ever
eXits
In
Time

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RedToothBrush · 31/08/2016 12:54

This brainstorming really is the stuff that comic gold dust is made from

Dave Maclean ‏@GeordieStory
TM: "Just say the first thing that comes into your head."
Hammond: "It's never happening."
TM: "That's not helpful."

Jim Waterson ‏@jimwaterson
The verbatim transcript of Theresa May's talk to the cabinet definitely has a "headmistress on first day back" feel.

Westministenders Continues. The one where are being grateful for having a Boris rather than a Trump and UKIP show Labour how it’s done.
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RedToothBrush · 31/08/2016 12:56

Oh and Corbyn has it in the bag.

Just look at the 'Trot invasion' though

Westministenders Continues. The one where are being grateful for having a Boris rather than a Trump and UKIP show Labour how it’s done.
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howabout · 31/08/2016 13:22

Just cos I'm a glass half full sort of person and I like word puzzles and miss brainstorming meetings with Danish pastries for breakfast. Smile

Brilliant, Regeneration, Egalitarian, Xpansion, Inclusion, Thriving

Kaija · 31/08/2016 14:16

Alternatively,

Barmy
Regressives
Engineer
eXtirpation of
Investment and
Trade

OlennasWimple · 31/08/2016 14:27

DoSAC would be all over this - where's Nicola Murray when you need her?

Bearbehind · 31/08/2016 14:49

Boris
Ruined
Everything
eXpoliting
Ill-informed
Turnout

Kaija · 31/08/2016 14:52

That's a good one bear. Could also substitute "Banks" or "bastards"

Bearbehind · 31/08/2016 14:58

There was a few options for the T as well Grin

Kaija · 31/08/2016 15:01

Oh yesGrin

Unicornsarelovely · 31/08/2016 15:56

It's good to catch up! I've just got back from visiting friends in Norway where they're watching in amusement.. Among the people I was with, the view seemed to be that they'd welcome the uk into efta as it would give them a better bargaining chip with Brussels. However, the elections are coming up soon and are currently between Labour and Green... Given the conservatives in Norway are substantially to the left of the Labour Party here, it may make it harder to agree a deal.

Peregrina · 31/08/2016 16:37

Brexit means Fuxit.

May words to Cabinet largely meaningless, but "no attempts to sort of stay in the EU by the back door" suggests Norway option not a goer.

Is she telling the vegetables Cabinet, that basically she's been told by other EU leaders that it's not an option?

TheBathroomSink · 31/08/2016 17:20

Is she telling the vegetables Cabinet, that basically she's been told by other EU leaders that it's not an option?

I don't think so, it looks like she wants a bespoke deal, so not modelled on anyone else: twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/771017850031054848

Also, the conclusion seems to be that Johnson has won the battle to be top Brexit dog, but it also looks like, from that statement Jim Waterson posted, that it will be her deal, and Scotland/NI/Gib will have to suck it up and deal.

Presumably, if we are looking for a bespoke deal, there may be a way to arrange something with NI to keep the freedom of movement there, but I expect it will be complicated and expensive.

Peregrina · 31/08/2016 17:44

I could see her getting away with it in Scotland. NI? That would need extremely careful negotiating, so I think there is a risk of further bloodshed/united Ireland. Gibraltar - the Spaniards could just close the border again - it depends on just who, either Gib or Spain gains most from the current arrangement.

I think there is a real risk that she will break up the UK.