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Brexit-lite here we come

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Bearbehind · 27/07/2016 17:40

Theresa May has today said the UK wants to maintain the closest possible economic ties with the EU and to guarantee the rights of EU citizens living in the EU.

Are any Leave voters actually happy with that?

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smallfox2002 · 27/07/2016 21:32

I agree Gloria, even the much derided settlement they gave Cameron was much more than they'd have given others.

The fact is that we already had all sorts of exemptions and opt outs, but the leavers ignored this.

If we get Brexit lite, I laugh my arse off.

OTheHugeManatee · 27/07/2016 21:33

I'm glad it's proceeding slowly and immediate signals suggest a moderate approach. The Kipper bloc would never be satisfied with anything so it doesn't matter if they harrumph a bit and it's vital that we take steps to minimise disruption - to the Union, to the economy, and to the wider geopolitical balance as well especially within the EU27 - which is what seems to be happening.

I am absolutely confident that if we have a measured transition back towards full sovereignty we will look back on Brexit and heave a sigh of relief that it happened when it did. Accepting free movement as part of a transitional period as EEA members, to get the Article 50 deadline out of the picture, while we unpick 40 years' legal, economic and regulatory integration seems pretty sensible to me. We have to take the long view and I hope the 'hard Brexit' camp are able to come round to this in time.

Knittedfrog · 27/07/2016 21:42

You're all a lot more knowledgeable than me. So, can someone tell me...
Would Brexit light mean we would keep the four freedoms?

A4Document · 27/07/2016 23:38

Frankly I have no idea exactly what Leave voters wanted as this was not clearly articulated in the Leave campaign.

This was the only referendum since 1975 with the opportunity to leave the EU. "Leave the European Union" was on the ballot paper so that's what leavers voted for and want. Obviously people have varying preferences of exactly how this is done, but as the campaigns weren't political leaders, the political teams have only just been put in place, we have a new PM, and negotiations have yet to take place, of course we don't yet know the exact outcome. That is fine by me and I'm still very happy with the "leave" result.

I'd favour leaving the single market to cut ties, and it wouldn't bother me if small tariffs had to be paid (and the UK can reciprocate). Immigration on the UK's terms, so Australian style points for all. I'm keen to see British people standing up to make sure positive things happen in this country, to update British laws as they would have moved forward had we not given the EU control. I'm really looking foward to regaining full sovereignty.

The supposed exemptions and opt-outs were either not yet adopted by the unreformable EU, and may never had been, or could be overridden at any time, for example if a UK prime minister chose not to exercise a veto.

Brexit-lite wouldn't be my favourite outcome but it's still better than being a member of the EU.

smallfox2002 · 27/07/2016 23:53

Meaningless rhetoric A4 ( yet again)

this is a brilliant example for how you misunderstand the EU:

"The supposed exemptions and opt-outs were either not yet adopted by the unreformable EU, and may never had been, or could be overridden at any time, for example if a UK prime minister chose not to exercise a veto."

If a UK prime minister chose not to exercise a veto, then that would not be being over ridden?

Meanwhile you who campaigned on here about democracy, have an unelected government, and the leave vote won by galvanising people who would never have voted for this government.

The leave vote essential told people what they wanted to here, you were duped by a libertarian elite into voting for what they wanted not what is good for you.

Just like the Trump voters will be.

Is it nearly Christmas, turkey?

Corcory · 28/07/2016 00:27

You enjoy putting people down don't you Smallfox!.

smallfox2002 · 28/07/2016 00:32

Not really, I just saw a lot of similarities! We enjoyed it tbf, but the cost is high, the butlins thing was supposed to be a joke, because you must admit there are similarities! Yes Disney is bigger and way better but they are there!

smallfox2002 · 28/07/2016 00:35

Whoops wrong thread.

It is true though.

Those in the Labour heartlands would never have voted for this Government, they wouldn't have voted for the changes that are coming and they certainly didn't vote to have their EU funding cut and not replaced!

They were sold something they aren't going to get, so are proverbial turkeys no?

whatwouldrondo · 28/07/2016 01:55

corcory it isn't about putting people down is it? It is about having an argument about something that affects not so much my future as my children's? I have encountered you a couple of times, at least, now and on two issues, fisheries and the Erasmus scheme, I tried to engage you with some facts as opposed to, frankly UKIP lite, and...... Well nothing

larrygrylls · 28/07/2016 06:44

Smallfox,

We don't have an unelected government. We elect MPs, not PMs. And the party who won the election is still, thankfully, in power.

In addition, latest opinion polls put the Tories 16% ahead, so no buyers' regret.

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Bearbehind · 28/07/2016 06:45

I'm surprised there aren't more Brexiit means Brexit comments and Leavers actually think this is ok.

I can't help likening this to a petulant teenager who insists on leaving home but proceeds to rent a room in the house next door which is guaranteed by his parents and comes home to eat and get his washing done whilst still insisting he's left home Hmm

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larrygrylls · 28/07/2016 06:45

It is odd that someone who fails to recognise the democratic deficit in the EU talks golf an 'unelected government' due to a change of PM.

larrygrylls · 28/07/2016 06:48

Bear,

It is more like leaving a members' club because of its insufferable rules but the continuing to have a close relationship with your friends within it. You don't have to stop seeing your friends just because you have left a memepbers' club.

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Bearbehind · 28/07/2016 06:55

It's not because the rules of the members club dictate that you can't continue to liaise with people outside the club unless you continue to abide by those rules.

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whatwouldrondo · 28/07/2016 07:02

Or you suddenly realise when you leave the members club all that it actually did for you...... Which the rest of the world was telling you all along because they like what your members club represented, what it did in the wider world and how easy it was to deal with the members as a whole, that is apart from a couple of mafioso who would like to break up the members club because it will make it easier for their gang ......

larrygrylls · 28/07/2016 07:57

There is good and bad within the EU. There are many remainers who feel it brought peace to Europe; personally I think the two are unrelated. However, I respect their opinion. On the other hand it is a union full of contradictions which eventually need to be sorted out one way or the other.

Any lasting Union needs a single currency and full tax harmonisation. Is that what we want? Maybe, some do. However I think the remainers are being b disingenuous to pretend a vote for remain was a vote for the status quo.

MoggyP · 28/07/2016 08:01

"I'm surprised there aren't more Brexiit means Brexit comments and Leavers actually think this is ok."

If you don't try to shoehorn all Leave voters into one stereotype box, it becomes much easier.

larrygrylls · 28/07/2016 08:09

Moggy,

Absolutely. Far easier to fight a straw man...

Owlcat · 28/07/2016 08:16

I think that the Tories' and Theresa May's in particular, only focus now is what will get them voted in for another term at the next general election. Whatever they say, in, out, Brexit lite, etc, is just lip service to keep people quiet whilst they formulate that plan.

Figmentofmyimagination · 28/07/2016 08:17

Larry

Can you identify an insufferable (intolerable?) rule that has been imposed by the EU that has directly affected you, and that you expect to be reversed as a result of voting to leave the EU?

larrygrylls · 28/07/2016 08:22

Figment,

Nope. But then many live very happily under all sorts of regimes.

Personally I think the laws are more petty and self-serving than insufferable. I was supplying an analogy in response to another poster.

Surferjet · 28/07/2016 08:24

I'm surprised there aren't more Brexiit means Brexit comments and Leavers actually think this is ok

The majority of us don't talk about the referendum on MN anymore, the likes of you & smallfox drove us all away.

Grassgreendashhabi · 28/07/2016 08:28

Finding this another goady thread. Especially with your replies OP

I voted leave . I am pleased with the way it is being handled it needed careful consideration and time. Not to rush in and make mistakes.

We were asked our opinion stay or leave not to decide how or when this should happen

Figmentofmyimagination · 28/07/2016 08:29

So how about naming a law that is petty and self serving that is imposed by the EU and that affects you?

katemiddletonsnudeheels · 28/07/2016 08:29

I'm not so sure about that, Owl. Given the current fractions and divisions within the Labour Party, the conservatives are almost certain to be elected in 2020 - if this trend continues.