A thread for Leave voters to list the positives of leaving the EU

[Bearbehind]

Seeing as the previous thread is nearly full and no one on it has given us a single tangible positive that we can expect from leaving the EU as opposed to staying I thought I'd start a shiny new thread with a thousand opportunities.

I keep hearing from leavers about how things are going to be more equal away from the EU. Can I just ask on what is this confidence based?

The EU did not force the Tories to abolish secure council tenancies for the poorest renters.

The EU did not force the government to impose a minimum debt of 30 odd thousand on uni students, and shamefully scrap maintenance grants for the poorest students.

The EU did not force the government to impose ridiculous and harsh dwp sanctions on single mothers with children to feed.

The EU did not cut benefits for the disabled.

The EU did not impose a bedroom tax which affected carers disproportionately

The EU did not close down emergency mental health units.

I could go and on.

I say again if you wanted more social justice the general election for the past 30 years was the place. Boycott The Sun, the Daily fail/hate. Refuse to support the bbc (i refuse to pay my licence) until they start giving coverage in their rather biased news coverage to the issues affecting the disenfranchised

But saying that somehow leaving the EU will result in greater social prosperity is deluded at best. A confidence based on nothing we have hitherto experienced. Do you really believe the corporate capitalist elite are going to suddenly develop a conscience and say. "Ahhh poor british workers lets reduce our profits and distribute it more fairly??"

Fact: The CEO of next uk who was pro leave has already done an amazing u-turn interviewed on ITV. Apparently a rapid curb in immigration would not be so great after all. It might affect business you see. Shows where their interests are doesnt it?

The EU is not responsible for our problems. And yes Leadsom and Boris et al are pure capitalists. So you should have shunned them. The fact you joined them and made murdoch corporate media king etc happy should give you sufficient levels of unease to question the idea that being out the EU would be aiding the neglected in society.

Sorry punctuation missing a lot. on a crowded bumpy hopper bus

Sorry to go a little OT, but did we ever get to see a complete set of Leadsom tax returns, or did this new-and-improved UK government just conveniently brush over that little fiasco and make her Minister of State at the Department of Energy and Climate Change without further ado?

There is surely no Leave voter left that believes letting Westmister "take back control" was ever going to be in the interests of the poor and needy.

Antique.. all those are true and correct, but I fear you're pitching to the wrong audience.

Almost all the Leave voters I know simply couldn't give two shits about most of that because it simply doesn't affect them.

Furridge and the rest simply lied through their teeth, and most of them continue to do so about how this would affect the poorest. They failed to point out that, while we had something like 4 of the poorest and most deprived regions in Europe in this country, all of which were heavily subsidised by the EU via grants and other money being pipe lined in, once we press the self-destruct Article 50 button, that money stops. And no one looks like they will continue to help.

One day it will dawn on the regions that they maybe should have looked into things a bit more deeply, but by then it will be too late, and then we're screwed here.

Sorry, I know this is supposed to be a positives of Brexit thread.

When I think of one, I'll come back.

Being from the NE I can firmly say that the two biggest reasons for voting out were immigration and the kicking out at the region "getting nothing".

I quite expect the region to get poorer and get less than it does now, sadly some of my former classmates and friends still there will see their lives changed radically.

The leave or remain was am impossible decision - theres 100% right answer any more than there is ever a parliamnetary candidate who I fully support. This is why I normally spoil ballot papers because it is 'none of the above'

The option seemed to me to stay in a massive wasteful juggernaut where we have no actual say (ref Cameron 'concessions', closing power stations, unable to expel terrorists ) or leave and have no say and still get a kicking.

Great choice, eh? The EU will never change and should not have been changed from what we joined in 1973. At least we kept out of schengen and the euro.

So there's no good outcome right now and would not have been had we stayed. The idea that all was Tickety boo beforehand is seriously London...

Make that NO 100% right answer...

Blah blah blah, repeated rhetoric not actual fact. Repeat ad nauseam.

I'm not even going to go into some of the "facts" of your post, the "unable to deport criminals/Terrorists" is an outright fallacy for one.

You've even said: " we have no actual say"

You who spoils ballot papers? I'm sure the irony is missed on you.

Who blatantly doesn't understand the way the EU works ( you know 90% of the time the UK gets policy in line with national government objectives?)

Spoiling ballot papers has always seemed to me a spectacularly dumb thing to do.

Sorry, I know this is supposed to be a positives of Brexit thread.

It most definitely was not supposed to be that. It was yet another antagonistic thread that most Leavers have happily avoided. As the same old 'but you haven't given me one good reason why sob, sob' post appears over and over.

Isn't the truth that anyone who voted Leave or Remain, actually do not know long term what will happen with the EU? No one is psychic not even Mystic Meg believe it or not

Looby

Well you haven't. Then you're all getting defensive.

And saying no one knows what will happen in the future is no excuse to jump into the unknown with no parachute.

Just give me one, ONE way in which leaving the EU will improve conditions for those in the poorest areas of the country? Come on, it's not like politicians didn't know those areas existed and just discovered them recently after straying too far from the foot path. So how exactly will things be better for them with less investment than they're getting now?

Please tell me. Instead of dodging the question and accusing remainers of sobbing.

AntiqueSinger

You do realise there has been hundreds of threads asking this same question the past month? People have given their reasons and why they voted. They also said why they voted Leave or Remain. Some valid reasons, and some not. If you go back to the end of June and work your way from there, you'll see this same question asked. Leave voters get shot down. They give valid reasons and then get questioned on it. I don't blame anyone who can't be bothered to repeat their reasons yet again for them to be ripped apart

looby the whole problem is that, as far as I've seen, there has not been one single credible positive stated on any of those threads.

As has been repeatedly pointed out, they have all been rhetoric, fanciful ideas or just plain fairy tales.

Just tell us one thing that will definitely be better out of the EU than it ever could be in it- shouldn't be hard if you voted for it should it?

Bearbehind

I gave some valid reasons why I voted the way I did. 3 weeks ago.

I'm sure you're all very nice people in real life. I wish you all the very best of luck with your future's and hope the vote does nothing to affect your lives. Truly. No one I know that voted Leave did it to upset people. You know I've spoken to a lot of Remain voters who have said the reason they voted Remain was 'better the devil you know' - is that a better reason than the ones Leave voters have given?

They give valid reasons and then get questioned on it.

You see I think therein lies the rub. Remainers and leavers define valid differently.

If the reasons given are based on mistruths they become invalid.

If I say I refuse to innoculate my child because I believe info that it may give him autism, that only remains valid until it is proved that in actual fact it does not.

A number of leavers have given reasons.

But they becone invalid once the facts are presented to them.

I would like a few that aren't based on the lies given by 'no experts' Gove or bumbling Boris or Farage. Ones that can stand up.

Is this still going?

Bear there have been many... here and other threads, you are still going "Nope! Tell me one I will believe!" What is credible to you is not to Leavers and vice versa... you are, in effect, asking for the impossible!

Or have I said that a few times before on this thread? Meh!

Nobody can answer that OP because its never been done before. The only fact you have is that its done, no going back and if it affects your life to the point of it stopping you living then address that perhaps.

ourblanche and looby you both keep popping up and moaning that thread is going on but have still failed to answer the question.

If you've given and read so many good reasons why can't you give me just one now?

The fact is you can't tell me a single thing that will be better out of the EU than in it, that hasn't been disproven, because there isn't anything.

the reason they voted Remain was 'better the devil you know' - is that a better reason than the ones Leave voters have given?

Absolutely.

That is voting for what you know not jumping into an abyss just to see what it's like

To quote the sage Antique

lowcostholidays would not have been allowed to trade out of Spain, claiming it had the same protections as ABTA/ATOL if we had been out of the EU.
We would not be forced to accept pork products for sale in the UK which are raised under animal welfare standards illegal in the UK
We would be able to stop the live transport of animals.
We can remove VAT on sanitary products when we leave

These are among some very minor, but very definate, benefits of leaving. The main benefits of freer trade with the rest of the world and better collaboration is considered impossible by the remainers on this thread, but it is not inaccurate, we just do not have proof either way.
Other remainers appear to think the EU prevents a conservative government killing babies and eating them - for these there is no help.

Carol - I have mentioned the live transportation of animals too, either on here or on another thread and I forgot I didn't get shot down, they just ignored it and kept on about not having any facts!!!