A thread for Leave voters to list the positives of leaving the EU

[Bearbehind]

Seeing as the previous thread is nearly full and no one on it has given us a single tangible positive that we can expect from leaving the EU as opposed to staying I thought I'd start a shiny new thread with a thousand opportunities.

caroldecker

Thank you so much! At last! Those first four reasons all look like solid benefits to me, I haven't tested them but if somebody does pick them apart (on the facts) please please come back and defend them.

I think the last reason you have given is false but I'll ignore it because I'm desperately looking for positives.

Thank you again.

caroldecker I despair that people continue to post such utter rubbish and tout them as facts.

All it does is emphasise the fact that Leave had no idea what they were signing up to and many did so for invalid reasons.

Try googling 'VAT on tampons'.

We'd opted out of that anyway.

Please also explain how you envisage the cost of renegotiating trade deals outweighed by the benefit of doing so?

The EU aren't going to give us better terms than we have now, it would be suicide for them to do so so the best we can hope for is what we have now. So we have to spend goodness knows how much to get back to right where we are now - genius

Ok, so we have one positive - animals are going to be better looked after before right before they are slaughtered.

That's made it all worthwhile.

Stopping live transport of animals would be a benefit I would gladly embrace, together with improvements in animal welfare - has the May government given any steer on this yet? (Although presumably there's going to be some maximum distance animals can be transported to an abbatoir, does anyone know?)

lowcostholidays would not have been allowed to trade out of Spain, claiming it had the same protections as ABTA/ATOL if we had been out of the EU.

did lowcostholidays claim they had ABTA/ ATOL protection?

It is widely publicised that that protection was lost after they moved to Spain.

OurBlanche let's call a temporary truce and go for a drink and a gabble down the pub. A mind as stubborn as yours has got to be interesting!

Bearbehind

Firstly you only asked for one.
Secondly VAT could be removed on sanitary products if parliament voted for it - one of the sovereignty issues you are so keen to ignore not have
Thirdly the only trade deal we need to re-negotiate is with the EU. All the others that the EU have with other countries can be copied over. The Canadians said on the Today programme that this would happen for their trade deal. We can then negotiate deals with countries the EU has failed to.
Fourthly lowcost holidays claimed the Spanish protection was the same as the UK as it was in the EU
Lastly, none of your 'facts' are actually 'facts'. Just conjectures. No-one knows the future, but I believe, as do the majority of the country, we will be better off economically and socially outside the EU
Very few of the Remain 'predictions' have come true and most economists now believe there will not be a Brexit recession - they were wrong and will continue to be so.

Antique you are one... as I said earlier... I really don't think we are all that far apart politically

You are on, even... "Oooh! You are a one!" is a a little too friendly too soon, don't you think

We could put bets on which country will leave the EU next , I suggest Switzerland- oh hang on - they're not in it.
A beautiful, clean, efficient country. I'm sure they'll be rushing to take the uk's place?????
No? Why on earth not?

I remember life before the eu - the world will not grind to a halt

Miss Margie - I said I remember life before the EU on another thread and it was shot down as 'this old Chestnut' I wonder what they'll say this time!

The thread is asking 'what are the positives of leaving the EU' not 'why did you vote the way you did?'

For £350 million a week for the NHS. That's a straight answer to a straight question. It doesn't help to tell people that was a lie because it now makes them look stupid and no one likes to look stupid.

IMO, If they said, the EU is forcing us to destroy the NHS so being out of the EU will be a positive for the NHS, it's legitimate to tell them that this is not true, and that it's Government policy which is destroying the NHS.

A possible improvement in the transport of live animals does seem a positive. What is the Government position on this? Given that Loathsome Leasdom wants to bring back fox-hunting, I am not sure that she is the person to promote animal welfare, but we shall see.

On the Northern Ireland issue, if 44% of those who voted in NI voted leave, then surely they took into account possible implications on the peace process?

So I'm not sure why leave voters in England and Wales are berated for not considering the NI peace process, when 44% of NI voters also wanted to leave? Or are they the stupid uneducated cohort?

OUrBlanche
Which trade blocks has the UK not had access to by being in the EU?

FREE as in between the UK and A N Other nation... without having to do so through the EU... as other countries have recently said they would be happy to do specifically because they find the EU trade agreements to be too onerous and restrictive or simply unappealing!

I was very careful to include that word... FREE

But it seems to have been overlooked!

Oh! I did re-assemble your question to make it make sense, so let me know if you meant something else

talkin US, Canada (agreement delayed many moons by other EU countries), Australia, new Zealand, China (and most of Asia), Africa - much cheaper food coming our way, and less need for third world charity as we allow countries to trade their way to a better life - because trade is not just for white westerners is it?

Miss Margie,

You realise that the Swiss don't have full access to the EU markets, yet contribute to the budget, have to enact some EU legislation into Swiss law and have freedom of movement?

Carol is fucking hilarious accusing others of not using facts and the going on to state "i believe" .

The majority of countries that have trade deals with the EU are from north Africa and South America mainly ones who have historic colonial links with the Mediterranean countries of the EU and not traditional markets for us. The countries who are at the moment are very keen to make deals with us tend to be our traditional colonial partners, ones where we have very similar legal systems which would make it relatively easy to do deals with them. New Zealand are very keen to help us with deals. They have loads of experience of doing ones for themselves so their help and advise would be great, maybe we should employ some of their negotiators! or can we?

Smallfox - what are you on calling Carol 'fucking hilarious' about saying 'I believe' I suggest you re read her sentence.

Australia is the destination of 1.2% of UK exports

India 0.8%

NZ under 1%

Going have to increase a lot to have to replace the benefits of full access to the EU markets. "Traditional colonial partners" don't make me laugh, this isn't the 1970's although I have to say I think a lot of leavers are stuck there in terms of their thinking regarding international trade.

"Secondly VAT could be removed on sanitary products if parliament voted for it - one of the sovereignty issues you are so keen to ignore not have "

You realise MPs voted against this on the 26th of October? Cameron announced on the 21st of March that it would be abolished regardless.

I think the tampon tax (which raised £15 million over 5 years so its not exactly massive, it also is only 5% so doesn't add a great deal to a very inexpensive product, I fully agree with taking VAT off it but I think that getting your knickers in a twist and holding it up as a reason to leave the EU is utter drivel. We we were able to change it!

Your comment about most economists not seeing a post brexit recession would come as news to those at JP Morgan, Morgan Stanley, Oxford Economics, the Bank of England, the IMF etc.

I will laugh at Carol's statements about not using facts and then stating "I believe" because she does't use facts either and then uses not factual based beliefs to make her point.

The pub is the only answer.

There are absolutely some valid criticisms of the EU - the expenses not being signed off is an example. No organisation is perfect, no union that size is going to run perfectly. The same could be said for the NHS, but most of us want to keep that.

I would love to see live exports banned.

The thing is, I haven't seen anything that shows me that the criticisms justify leaving, or that the benefits of membership don't overwhelmingly outweigh the disadvantages.

We risk throwing our economy out the window - the only reason it's not completely tanked is the hope that we will remain in the single market. And in the words Bill Clinton: "it's the economy, stupid."
'It may all be all right in the end' is just not a valid reason to do this. It's a massive risk and a leap in the dark. People's jobs, people's livelihoods are on the line here. I know some people claim not to care about it - but it affects us all, if our economy is shafted, there is less funding for all our public services. And Theresa May will not be willing to spend much on public services/welfare at all - check out her voting record.

They thought we'd 'take back control' - but it turns out Boris was just talking about himself - sure, he missed out on the top job, but he steps into the Foreign Secretary's shoes.

And Farage just wanted to blow raspberries and say ner ner to Juncker. We handed control to a (ironically, unelected) much more right wing government than we had - and they don't care too much about welfare, or the NHS, or social housing, or the living wage, or employment rights, or the environment.

I was very much with JK Rowling on this - and I too wished for Magic on 24th June. I have settled for in the absence of magic - and praying that we don't leave the single market, and that things really aren't as bad as I fear. Cheers all, leavers and remainers - looking on the bright side we all did what we thought was best even if 52% were wrong

caroldecker

Firstly you only asked for one.

Forgive me for hoping that one might be a little more far reaching than improving transportations for animals immediately prior to them being slaughtered.

Secondly VAT could be removed on sanitary products if parliament voted for it - one of the sovereignty issues you are so keen to ignore not have

Tampons were going to be zero rated regardless of leaving or remaining in the EU.

Thirdly the only trade deal we need to re-negotiate is with the EU.

Renegotiating every deal with each of the 27 countries just to, at best get us back to where we are now is time and money well spent because..........?

All the others that the EU have with other countries can be copied over.

Again, so we only have what we have now.

Fourthly lowcost holidays claimed the Spanish protection was the same as the UK as it was in the EU

You'd have to be an idiot to book a holiday with an operator who didn't have an ATOL number given previous collapses of travel companies.

Lastly, none of your 'facts' are actually 'facts'. Just conjectures

Eh, what facts are you referring to?

Anything I've said to debunk Leave claims is factual and can be proven.

underthegreenwood You're welcome to join us at the pub. I'll buy first round. What's your poison?