To feel really positive about leaving the EU

[kitty1976]

I know there has been lots of fear stories but in a few weeks since the vote we have managed to get a new PM who seems more than capable and we are now in control of our destiny without being ruled by an unelected and unaccountable EU. The EU has for a long time been a basket case and has condemned much of the youth of Southern Europe to decades of unemployment, it's a relief to be out. Do remember we are now free to negotiate our own trade deals with the rest of the world and most countries are not in the EU and seem to do well. There have been so many fear stories which have been peddled by self interest. I wonder in 5 years time how many remainers will be asking to rejoin the EU!!

*Pretty sure the first time the abolition of slavery was brought up, the majority would have been against it.

And yet, the small minority then fought and fought (literally), until they became larger and eventually became the majority.*

This is precisely what happened with the Eurosceptic movement.

A tiny amount spoke out, as the EU got ever bigger & more people became disillusioned the movement to leave became bigger.
Culminating in the referendum and the vote to leave.

What I think you are totally rigth in your evaluation of how peole voted.

And time and time again, "it is alright for you there in London"
I will in the NE. Have been there for 20 years, since I moved to the UK.
This is THE first thing I have been told about politics in the UK. The strong separation between the North and the South (the South being the very south end of the ciountry, not the divide in the middle). The fact that it's always the South that has the money thrown at them, not the North etc etc It's not something new whatsoever.
And tbh, I can see why they think that too :(

Mango Have you noticed the world has moved on from shock and disbelief. No. Do you read the overseas press, talk to people in the rest of the world? In fact we consolidated it when Boris was made Foriegn Secretary. If nobody is actually shouting about it anymore it is only that they have come to terms with the fact the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

the Tories can put Brexit on their manifesto

Isnt that too late for that?
Going out of the EU is done and dusted.

HOW we are going to go out and under which conditions is open for discussion.
And that is where I want to see a manifesto from all parties (and a general election after that so people can choose what sort of Brexit they want would be great too)

But SnowBells the last election was fought on the referendum, with DC promising he'd give us one, that's one of the main reasons he got back in.

Yes, the Abolitionists were just like the Leave campaign.

Except that the Abolitionists, as well as appealing deliberately to people's humanitarian impulses, also repeatedly, over years and years, catalogued the facts and the figures, and marshalled the evidence in order to demonstrate just why the slave trade was wrong. They didn't say 'we spend £350 million on slave ships - let's spend it on curing cholera instead!!!!!! - oh wait, did we say that out loud? We didn't actually mean it. As you were.'

'We can't promise the North East will get its EU funding' admits the Government

Article here

larry instead of going off on tangents every time you are asked to specify just one positive thing about leaving the EU could you just answer the fecking question.

Do you realise that by not doing so you are fuelling the Remain belief that you have no idea what you've voted for.

Surely you can be specific about just one thing you voted to achieve?

Sorry MangoMoon, but for all the protesting the leave vote was mainly to do with immigration. I'm not going to start to go into the "unelected EU commissioners" stuff again, because its a fundamental misunderstanding of the processes of the EU.

"The fact that it's always the South that has the money thrown at them, not the North etc etc It's not something new whatsoever."

The north gets far more than it contributes in taxes, and has done for decades. London and the south east get significantly less than they contribute in taxes. The North East was the most significant beneficiary of EU spending in the country, it got 500 million to aid economic development over 6 years. It also is a significant reciever of investment from companies using it as an EU base, the North East voting out makes no sense.

I'm from the NE btw.

Have I missed any of the posts in which a single solitary benefit has been mentioned?

To be quite frank, the North East vote was partially on "That London" and largely on immigration, in an area with very low levels, go to Hartlepool where my DGM is from, and it was all about immigration. In a town of 97.5% are British!

Have I missed any of the posts in which a single solitary benefit has been mentioned

Have you ever tried googling 'benefits of leaving the EU?
Plenty to keep you going if you do.

No, I mean on this thread, where posters were asked what they thought might be even just one of the many advantages they have cited, Surfer. Because they've said there are lots, so I think some of us are just interested in what they think they might be.

But when you do so you get partisan websites, and then the independent ones who rank the benefits vs the costs always come back in favour of remain.

Also some are just nonsensical, the Scientists for Britain (or whatever) didn't acknowledge at all that there may be cuts to UK science funding from the EU. Some of the economic predictions operate on full access to the common market without adhering to EU conditions.

Everything

What you said is what I meant...

And when I say, "the Tories can put Brexit on their manifesto"... I mean in a seriously detailed manner.

Surferjet

But SnowBells the last election was fought on the referendum, with DC promising he'd give us one, that's one of the main reasons he got back in.

He gave us a f*cking referendum that was ill thought out with one option being "Brexit is all you want it to be".

"Have you ever tried googling 'benefits of leaving the EU?
Plenty to keep you going if you do."

Give us your favourite one.

Mango A story today. Do you think an overseas paper would be printing a story about Boris saying the UK want to be part of Europe and the world or reminding us of Boris's bad reputation if both were not still big issues in the overseas consciousness app.scmp.com/scmp/mobile/index.html#/article/1991314/section/71

You also realise DC put a referendum on the manifesto because he never thought he'd get a majority? It would have been one of things sacrificed to a coalition with the Lib Dems if what he expected to happen, had happened.

I don't think the last election was fought on the Referendum. It was just one of a number of manifesto promises - many of which are conveniently dropped.

Yes, the Abolitionists were just like the Leave campaign.

Seek, I only made that comparison after SnowBells laughingly compared Remain voters to the abolitionists.

Well, certainly the websites 'campaignforanindependentbritain' and 'betteroffout' have their own lists which come up on that google search - though the majority of what comes up balances every perception which Leave voters had with a slightly more realistic explanation.

But I'm asking the people here, who say there are myriad benefits, to just name one.

Mango, Larry first brought up Abolition as a comparison to the Leave vote here -

To vote on beliefs without being able to spreadsheet the exact economics is not wrong! I can imagine people like you arguing against the abolition of slavery because people could not exactly quantify the economic benefits

Yes, Mango - Larry was first to mention it on this thread.

So you're fine with us fighting on then?