To feel really positive about leaving the EU

[kitty1976]

I know there has been lots of fear stories but in a few weeks since the vote we have managed to get a new PM who seems more than capable and we are now in control of our destiny without being ruled by an unelected and unaccountable EU. The EU has for a long time been a basket case and has condemned much of the youth of Southern Europe to decades of unemployment, it's a relief to be out. Do remember we are now free to negotiate our own trade deals with the rest of the world and most countries are not in the EU and seem to do well. There have been so many fear stories which have been peddled by self interest. I wonder in 5 years time how many remainers will be asking to rejoin the EU!!

• actually, I think its actions towards refugees are bad. Very bad. But they're in line with what Brexiteers wanted, so you lot can't really criticise that.

Are they Garlic?
The EU's treatment of refugees is 'in-line' with 'what Brexiters wanted'?
Really?!

If you need to assume Brexiters think that and then shoot down the perception you created, you must be pretty damn short of solid arguments.

whatwouldrondo - you do realise that only 36% of the 18-24 year old age group could be bothered to vote don't you .
Yes . I do care deeply for everyone of my fellow human beings , I even make excuses for criminals , God help me. But it doesn't mean that I am entitled to make disparaging remarks about others on my oh so high moral ground. I do not know what will happen - no one does , but already New Zealand and Aussie want to start talks. You can listen to experts on both sides of the argument and they will have good legitimate reasons for in and out and I heard what they said and I was given a democratic vote and I could be bothered to use and I dared to use it to vote leave. I am just as terrified as you but I dared to believe in better.
Badders you obviously don't live where I live , the old people that I see in my local supermarket makes my heart bleed , so don't tell me how rich the pensioners are and I frequently see very young people in brand new cars .
As for serious discussion , who are you trying to kid -" the world will end tomorrow " is all I have heard so far.
Valentine "whose loss" - well it's certainly not mine , are you such a wimp I have to ask myself. There are thousands an thousands of talented , intelligent people in this country and also those who would love to come to this country.
You accuse some people of being stupid and it's not your fault , but partly their fault , very intelligent . There but for the grace of God go you.
People of low intelligence cannot help being born with fewer brains than those with more brains, just as some people are born attractive enough to be models and others are deemed not . My God and you call yourself intelligent. The sooner you leave the better.

" I expect us to have quite a few trade deals in the pipeline when we are about to exit the EU which will give us more opportunities. These trade deals I hope will include financial services which the current EU ones don't."

Sigh, I saw your post about the EU trade deals causing lower trade levels (untrue) and then this.

Do you realise why the EU doesn't allow financial services in other countries to have access to the EU?

Do you also realise that any deal allowing us to have access to financial services for the EU at the same level is likely to contain caveats about the kind of agreements we can allow other countries if we want to retain that access?

If the EU has been unable to secure beneficial trade deals that you want why do you assume that a smaller market with less to offer will be able to do so on entirely beneficial terms for its self.

Trade has become a matter of interest, but so many of you discuss it with little to no understanding of it. Just like all the "we'll just change to WTO rules" lot did before the referendum, you make it up as you go along.

you do realise that only 36% of the 18-24 year old age group could be bothered to vote don't you .

I thought that statistic had been debunked. However, it's a good one to keep trotting out.

There are thousands an thousands of talented , intelligent people in this country and also those who would love to come to this country.

Immigrants? I thought we had been told that the country was full?

The 36% figure was taken from last year's general election, in the 18-24 group the turn out was more like 60% only 2% below the average turn out.

Valentine -" you believe in experts" - I thought you were the expert !
Look what the so called experts in the world have done so far .
As for "still won't change my mind" why in heavens name would I ,
I listened , I read , I read , I listened , I made my decision, end of , why the hell am I going to change my mind ?
Garlic I am very sorry for you , believe me, I hope that I along with the rest of Brexit I have done something good for you.

Peregrina - once again stereotyping

Smallfox - I'm sorry that statistic doesn't suit you!

You can hope all you like, I'll take my cues from the information available and say you'e scuppered a lot, for a lot of people.

"Look what the so called experts have done so far"

WTF is that supposed to mean, you might have read, listened etc but you still manage to quote the wrong statistics which doesn't give me much faith.

Sorry, what was stereotyping? The statement that the country was full - a lot of people believed this. Or was it the voting figures that you quote for young people which have been proved to be wrong?

Don'thaveto.. its incorrect, its taken from the 2015 general election not the referendum. Its not that it doesn't suit me, its wrong.

Can somebody tell me as clearly and succinctly as possible exactly how the Brexit vote will result in a better Britain?

Economically?

Socially?

Opportunities for younger people?

Scientific research and technological development?

And I don't want faith, or wishes, or luck, or hope. That's religion. I don't want nostalgic 'glory days of yore'. That's nostalgia.

I want solid cogent arguments based on factual, tangible foundations. When I receive it I will shut up. As I suspect will a lot of fellow remainers

It's just that you voted out because you want a better country. I want to understand the mechanism of how exactly voting out becomes synonymous with better off.

Well?

Yes, I think fear of refugees was the prime motivator for most Leave votes. No, I'm sure it was.

I'm keen to hear those replies too, Singer. So far, all I've got is a bunch of "It'll all work out, just wait and see."

If one observes posting patterns, there are some very bored ahem care givers on MN. This is their soapbox for their soup of the day philosophy. Chicken Licken flavour. Every day. It was all Shiny Dave a few weeks ago. And got very worked up about Gove recently. Can imagine the righteous indignation round the Mark Warner poolsides soon.

As said the figures for voting on amongst the youngest age demographics have been comprehensively debunked by research into their actual voting which really was not far different to the rest of us in spite of the alienating aspects of the campaign, apart fro patronising attempts to get with the kids . The activism on campuses was particularly impressive but I witnessed it in the local community amongst kids who thought it wasn't for them because they worked in local businesses. Do you deny you have bequeathed them a future they do not want?

Not sure who furrimuff's post is aimed at..

Farrimuff Sorry? Seriously puzzled?

donthaveto
I am sure you read a lot !! Who is challenging that? But why in the world should that mean you actually understood it all even if the info was right (it wasn't; RTFT; full of info that doesn't come from Boris or Farage and likes). They have long left you to it. They won't come back. Boris was put into his place by EU right after his very first post BREXIT column. which world do you live in? You Leave lot look like you thought burning the whole thing to ground and then building it up again is a good idea. Thats not sanity.

Smallfox. I am not talking about us doing deals with countries in the EU. I'm talking about us doing deals with the likes of India, Canada, USA, etc. These are the countries we need to have our financial services included in any deal with. If we can do deals with other countries to our own industries' benefits then well and good. I don't know where you are getting your facts but if you look at how well Switzerland has done with their trade deal partners, they have increased their trade with two thirds of them where as we have only increased our trade with one third of the countries we have trade deals with through the EU. The countries we have trade deals with at the moment tend to be ones who have been associated with the Mediterranean countries - North African and South American.

There were some more thoughtful Leave campaigners - but even they have been strangely quiet since the Referendum.

Singer- I've been asking that for 3 weeks...........