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To feel really positive about leaving the EU

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kitty1976 · 13/07/2016 22:59

I know there has been lots of fear stories but in a few weeks since the vote we have managed to get a new PM who seems more than capable and we are now in control of our destiny without being ruled by an unelected and unaccountable EU. The EU has for a long time been a basket case and has condemned much of the youth of Southern Europe to decades of unemployment, it's a relief to be out. Do remember we are now free to negotiate our own trade deals with the rest of the world and most countries are not in the EU and seem to do well. There have been so many fear stories which have been peddled by self interest. I wonder in 5 years time how many remainers will be asking to rejoin the EU!!

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larrygrylls · 19/07/2016 20:46

It is a forecast! Just a few people's opinion, not that different to the opinions in 2007 that said the economic cycle had been eliminated.

BertrandRussell · 19/07/2016 20:49

Bloody experts. What do they know?

Badders123 · 19/07/2016 20:52

Well...quite!
GrinHmm

larrygrylls · 19/07/2016 20:54

Indeed Bertrand. As I have said (many times) economic forecasting is the same as a monkey throwing darts. There have been numerous studies showing that.

Surferjet · 19/07/2016 20:54

Don't you think it's because they LIKE their country that 'die hard remainers' are fighting against Brexit

No I don't. They think we're nothing on our own, absolutely nothing. All they've done for the past 3 weeks is talk this country down.

larrygrylls · 19/07/2016 20:56

As well as the one leaving for...um..,Canada or Australia. Oh, the irony!

Surferjet · 19/07/2016 21:00

Wish they'd all go. I could handle the irony.

lljkk · 19/07/2016 21:02

You just need to look at Switzerland in comparison to us - they are doing much better.

25% of their residents are foreign nationals. Maybe that's why. Can you say it isn't the reason?

Actually they have a problem that their currency is over-valued, it's hitting their exports.

Valentine2 · 19/07/2016 21:05

corcory
Have you RTFT? This thread is like a timeline for the last week where lots of scaremongering is proved to be true already though we haven't left EU at all. Nor even the article 50 is triggered yet. What do you think will happen when it's triggered and we are actually out?
Besides, if anyone is thinking "ah whatever! We can always join them back" . Sorry but you will nearly surely have to join Euro too then and god knows what kind of deal will be offered to you.
I don't hate UK. I am fighting for it.

TheElementsSong · 19/07/2016 21:09

Wish they'd all go.

You want almost half the population to leave their home just because they disagree with you Hmm (unless they keep silent about their opinion). I'm sure you're "just kidding", but jeez.

BertrandRussell · 19/07/2016 21:17

"No I don't. They think we're nothing on our own, absolutely nothing. All they've done for the past 3 weeks is talk this country down."
And all you've done in the past 3 weeks is to fail to explain why you are so happy that we voted to leave, fail to give one clear example of how things will be better and admit that you have no idea what's going to happen next but you "trust our leaders".

Valentine2 · 19/07/2016 21:21

larry
Kindly tone it down. You haven't given me one solid proof or tidy and have been shown so many links to a large number of studies/reports too.
What else can we do? You reply with rhetorics only. I believe in experts.

Surferjet · 19/07/2016 21:22

I'm pretty certain most of the 48% accept the democratic result & are getting on with life as normal. it's only a small minority who just won't let it drop. If they're going to spend their entire lives blaming Brexit on every single thing that goes wrong, then it might be better if they did leave the UK yes.
But really, this is just going around in circles now. A50 won't be triggered for months.

Maki79 · 19/07/2016 21:23

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BertrandRussell · 19/07/2016 21:25

It is perfectly possible to accept the democratic decision -I do, and did not sign the petition for another referendum- but still not want to explain why you think it was the wrong choice and work to minimise the damage caused by it. I don't know why we are expected to shut up about it.

Surferjet · 19/07/2016 21:29

BertrandRussell
Just seen your post. It's late & I'm a bit tired & very hot. Will try & catch up with this tomorrow.

GarlicStake · 19/07/2016 21:30

Wow! Only on this thread? Weird. Some eurosceptic adserver operator?

I use an ad blocker. I miss all the excitement.

Sooverthis · 19/07/2016 21:32

Oh bugger just got the porn pop up

TheElementsSong · 19/07/2016 21:33

I'm pretty certain most of the 48% accept the democratic result & are getting on with life as normal. it's only a small minority who just won't let it drop

I accept the result and am getting on with normal life to the best of my ability. But I rather think you've given away your thinking there - that you think "accepting a democratic result / living life" is mutually exclusive with "not letting it drop / not mutely agreeing with a Stepford smile". Seems to me that it's those who wish millions of people to be silenced or sent away for fear of their incorrect ideas are the ones who dislike democracy.

larrygrylls · 19/07/2016 21:33

Valentine,

I have no need to tone it down thanks. I have made clear arguments. Quite clearly, it is far easier to see the short term losses than the long term gains. However the EU has very poor growth prospects and a brewing banking and debt crisis. It is not the Nirvana you paint it as.

I do find it interesting, though, that you are considering emigrating to two proudly independent countries.

BertrandRussell · 19/07/2016 21:34

"I'm pretty certain most of the 48% accept the democratic result & are getting on with life as normal."

How can we? Their is no "normal" any more.

Corcory · 19/07/2016 21:34

No sorry Valentine, I haven't read it all because I've been out of the country for the last two weeks. I feel there is loads of panic at the moment because the government haven't been able to let us know exactly what is going to happen. I hope there will be quite a few announcements in the near future about things like agricultural and regional subsidies, the status of current immigrants etc.. I expect us to have scrutinised the many regulations we currently have and will have adopted into our own statute thinks like maternity rights and other employment law. I expect us to have quite a few trade deals in the pipeline when we are about to exit the EU which will give us more opportunities. These trade deals I hope will include financial services which the current EU ones don't.
And no I certainly don't think that we should be able to join the EU again later if we don't like it.

MangoMoon · 19/07/2016 21:36

Besides, if anyone is thinking "ah whatever! We can always join them back"

I cannot think of anything worse than re-shackling ourselves to the EU.
I'm sure most of the 52% would agree tbh.

Surferjet · 19/07/2016 21:40

How can we? Their is no "normal" any more.

That's true. But honestly, leaving the EU is the least of our worries - if Donald Trump wins in November we're all fucked.

GarlicStake · 19/07/2016 21:43

Larry - in all my months of extensive reading & discussion around the EU, I have never once heard it called Nirvana Grin

It's a very large team of first-world countries, constantly reviewing and revising itself. It can never be perfect. Its ideals are lofty and its actions really not bad.

If you need to assume europhiles think it's perfect and then shoot down the perception you created, you must be pretty damn short of solid arguments.