To feel really positive about leaving the EU

[kitty1976]

I know there has been lots of fear stories but in a few weeks since the vote we have managed to get a new PM who seems more than capable and we are now in control of our destiny without being ruled by an unelected and unaccountable EU. The EU has for a long time been a basket case and has condemned much of the youth of Southern Europe to decades of unemployment, it's a relief to be out. Do remember we are now free to negotiate our own trade deals with the rest of the world and most countries are not in the EU and seem to do well. There have been so many fear stories which have been peddled by self interest. I wonder in 5 years time how many remainers will be asking to rejoin the EU!!

Not the bloody 36% again!!! As small and ron have said, that figure was not based on this referendum and was basically "made up". And the best that donthaveto can come up with is "sorry that statistic doesn't suit you" when in fact the real statistic doesn't suit her agenda, eh?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/09/young-people-referendum-turnout-brexit-twice-as-high

Peregrina - "the countries full". how exactly do you " know" that "a lot of people believed this"
Smallfox - my apologies if this is wrong I heard it on a political programme recently.
Antique - haven't you been listening - no one knows what's going to happen but it can't be worse than bloody bent bananas and metrication.
Do you really believe that Germany , France etc are going to want to stop selling their cars , champagne etc to us .
David Cameron , who I detest , tried to make some reforms , but they didn't want to know about a reformed European Union.
As for waving goodbye to people, it was Valentine that started spouting off about moving to the USA ( hope it all goes well for you there with Trump as the next President)
Why keep banging on about the wonderful youth of today paying for my pension in years to come. Who the hells pension do you think I've been paying for all these years ?

Furrimuff I don't think you can go on posting patterns, as you don't need to be at a computer to post on MN (many people use their phones!!!).

corcory
For once can a leave person tell me what do we manufacture in uk that India etc are dying to buy?

TheElements - who are you to say what is and isn't my agenda and actually I've just apologised for my faux pas , the statistic was something that I had heard recently on the BBC.

I can't 'know' that people believe the country is full, but since immigration was a big issue in the last couple of weeks, even in areas where immigration is modest, it's not an unreasonable assumption.

Bent bananas - well, they are aren't they?
Metrication pre-dates the UK's entry into the then Common Market. Inconvenient to know, but true.

David Cameron was probably just a rubbish negotiator - you only have to see his sneering riposts at PMQ's rather than giving sensible, considered answers. If he behaved like that in the EU it's no wonder he got short shrift. And then he threw in the towel.

Not sure whose pension you have been paying for donthaveto but the population is living much longer now. Still, that might change - latest research shows that millenials have worse earnings opportunities than their parents generation.

"Do you really believe that Germany , France etc are going to want to stop selling their cars , champagne etc to us . "

This misunderstands the point, they will still sell to us, in fact German cars and French wine can probably see an increase in price from tariffs and a not very large fall in demand.

However, we will really still want to export there too, and want to have financial passporting to do so. It isn't the end of trade.

To keep making that point is to misunderstand the situation, German car makers obviously will want full free access to the UK market, but we want full free access to theirs too and have a lot more to lose if its curtailed.

Also Smallfox Several countries seem to be very keen to do deals with us already - we're really not that small - 6th biggest trading nation. I think we are the biggest importer of Australian wine for instance so they are obviously keen to do a deal with little old us. The US trade deal with the EU has come to a halt partly because of guarantees insisted upon by the French film industry. We will be able to do deals much more easily as we don't have to pacify 27 other countries.

elements
I can't thank you enough for this link. I have been looking for this.

Valentine - are you seriously asking this question - when I first read your threads and you said that you were skilled and talented and intelligent I actually believed you - once again I learn that people just have massive egos

Valentine - Whisky, luxury cars for a start.

I have got a kitchen full of German equipment - purchased because I considered it more reliable than UK equipment. It made me wonder what UK goods are purchased in Germany. What exactly do we manufacture any more?

There were some more thoughtful Leave campaigners - but even they have been strangely quiet since the Referendum.

They have, yes.

Because they're bored of the constant re-hashing & navel gazing about something that happened a month ago.

They're sick to death of still being called all manner of wanky things - knuckle draggers, mouth breathers, racists, little Englanders, xenophobes, stupid, reckless, naive etc etc.

What are they doing now?
Getting on with life.

What are they doing now?
Getting on with life.

Bully for them. I was hoping that they would be publishing their plans, but they seem strangely silent on them. Apart from vague notions that the rest of the planet are just rushing to do trade deals with us, which can be done and dusted in a couple of years.

donthaveto
You still don't get it. I am not skilled or whatever you call me. Apologise if I come across like I have a massive ego. I have had Farage and BoJo here. It's the same in USA. The scale is different. What are you on about? And I know at least 6-8 people on top of my head that will leave. There just isn't work for us in the future you voted for. What do you expect me to eat?
I am just asking you some questions. The last few hundred words that you have written, you have managed to give only one statistical figure hat you heard on a politician program you say. And it was wrong. The rest of your post are just rhetoric again. At least four other people here are very patiently trying to keep asking again and again the solid facts and figures behind your decision. You just keep throwing tantrum and call me whatever you want. but this is a massively important issue. So for heavens sake for once tell me what data did you use? Post the links here in one post please. Please.

I thought Cameron's changes were quite good to be fair. People voting out seem to fail to recognise that the UK already got lots of rule changes for its self and exemptions from the EU to keep it happy.

The problem is it was never enough for the euro sceptics, I fear that nothing other than the deal where we get everything from the EU and have to abide by none of the constraints will be enough for them.

corcory
Thanks. Which brands? Where are they based?

Peregrina - once again "assumptions".
The EU wanted STRAIGHT bananas ? as for metrification ,
it was only about 10/15 years or so ago that all our shops had to change from selling in pounds and ounces to grams and kilos - really important stuff.
Cameron , for once I have to agree with you.
What do you mean by "you don't know whose pension I have been paying" think about it.
Smallfox - oh for Gods sake of course I know , this was just what I was saying in my earlier threads that trade wouldn't stop , it's you lot that seem to have the opinion that trade is over. Why have we more to lose , please explain.

On the xenophobia point, there were two leave posters banned at the weekend for just that. You might not be, but you have allied yourself with those that are and demonstrate it.

I thought Cameron's changes were quite good to be fair.

Somehow, he didn't manage to sell them. I remember the earlier referendum on the Common Market in 1975. Harold Wilson made much capital of 'the terms being right', and got a stonking majority to stay in, which must have silenced his critics for a good few years. He however, had a reputation for being a crafty old devil, which he obviously was.

valentine - I am pretty sure that in your earlier threads you said that you and you husband were both talented ,skilled intelligent people - have I been talking to the wrong person ?

Donthave:

We have a lot more to lose because some of our biggest exporting firms are based here because of our access to the EU. 44% of our exports go there. Now a small change in this would mean having to try to generate them from somewhere else. Yes other countries are wanting to do trade deals, but the idea that these would replace trade lost or investment lost from the EU is a bit weak. 60% of our exports go to the EU or through deals that the EU have made with 52 other countries, 15 % to the USA. Now we can go round striking deals with other countries, but it takes time, all the while we might be losing a considerable amount of trade an investment to the EU.

Cars, for example, now Nissan, Honda et al might stay, but they might choose to produce more cars for the EU market inside the EU to avoid tariffs. Meaning cuts to production and redundancies, less money coming into the UK from exports. The same goes for financial servces, our pharma industry etc.

Put it this way, the UK trade makes up 3% of all of the EU's GDP, UK -EU trade makes up 15 % of the UK's. Hits to our trade effect us more than it does them.

Pert, he didn't manage to sell them because they weren't enough for the public who were worried about immigration. Many of whom want it stopped completely.

But then the data shows that the public think that immigrants make up 30% of the country when they make up 14% and the scare stories influence their thinking.

The changes were fine, sadly as stated the Euro sceptics had their bits between their teeth and were willing to exploit the public fears.

donthaveto
Don't quote out of context please. I said that to explain why I was able to still think about moving abroad. I didn't say it to belittle anyone. It's just something that came up to prove my point that a lot of people i know are planning to leave if BREXIT goes ahead simply because we don't see what will we do to get our lives going. I am not a wealthy person. I have no backup anywhere. No parents nothing. It's just me and DH and our hope that we can work hard though I am massively pissed that I have to leave my home.

I am not sure why I am bothering to engage with you donthaveto

The straight bananas stuff was a lie.

I was alive before we were in the EEC and metrication was happening quite a few years before then. Yes, I remember things like fabrics and knitting wools changing over. So hey, let's blame the EU for something which makes no practical difference.

As for pensions - I am a pensioner and have paid my taxes and a full stamp for 40 years, so I am not going to take any lectures from anyone about that.