To feel really positive about leaving the EU

[kitty1976]

I know there has been lots of fear stories but in a few weeks since the vote we have managed to get a new PM who seems more than capable and we are now in control of our destiny without being ruled by an unelected and unaccountable EU. The EU has for a long time been a basket case and has condemned much of the youth of Southern Europe to decades of unemployment, it's a relief to be out. Do remember we are now free to negotiate our own trade deals with the rest of the world and most countries are not in the EU and seem to do well. There have been so many fear stories which have been peddled by self interest. I wonder in 5 years time how many remainers will be asking to rejoin the EU!!

And here:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/revealed-how-much-eu-funding-7789224

donthaveto:

1. No we won't - unless we are forced to by brexit job losses/moves.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
4. Yes, probably.
5. I personally do not have dual nationality, I am British. However, I have a very pissed off 14yr old.
6. Not really.

You sound very angry for someone who won the vote. Buyer's remorse, now you can see how everything's going to hell in a handcart? This is still my country, still the 48% of remain voter's country. Although, after your post, I am having great images of Leave voters all alone on an island together. "Who's in charge then? WHO'S going to make Britain GREAT again?! Where's Farage gone??"

Do you really care about the 48%of remainers don'thaveto I reckon it's just rhetoric......... After all The UK would be so much better off for waving off a demographic that has higher proportions of the Under 44s, even higher of the under 25s, the better educated, London, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Oh hell, let's have a revolution, death to the bourgeoisie!

The thing is though that I was already in a state of near mental collapse contemplating all the unfairness perpetrated by this government, whilst they lowered my taxes. That, particularly the brutal process of removing benefits from the disabled and terminally ill, was most definitely not done in my name.

I am the poor of this country, dont. I have a worsening chronic illness, am benefits dependent and live in sheltered housing. I'm in an economically depressed agricultural area that voted overwhelmingly for Brexit.

I'm fucking terrified. Social housing's already under severe threat - UK government actions, nothing to do with EU. The government has decreed that housing benefit may not be increased to cover welfare services: I don't currently use them much but am surrounded by old folks who get a daily visit. Their pensions won't cover the service cost, and the HA will have to close the on-site provisions like the coffee room, laundry and garden.

The HA's doing a frantic property check, as they've won some EU money to upgrade things like the double glazing. After this, there will be no more. It's all going to crumble slowly ...

Because I get a disability premium (ESA Suport Group) I can live on my benefits, but it's painfully tight. People who aren't deemed fucked-up enough to get the premium have to live on £50 a week less than me, despite also needing to buy extra stuff for their health. £73 a week to cover your bills, food, and everything else - long term and while ill.

There's no doubt that benefits will be cut even more harshly.

Food prices will go up.

There'll be less charity (not that there's much now) because so many more will be feeling the squeeze.

Without the CAP, farmers here will have to try and figure out what they'll be able to sell in 2 years' time and they'll lose the support they've been getting to meet the common needs. Many are struggling already, it's going to be mayhem.

Oh, and people who can't afford expensive imported food will have to eat bloody root veg & cabbage all winter. I remember that, pre-EU. We didn't get any fresh fruit until May, except at Christmas.

I'm British, unfortunately - and couldn't leave even if I had the opportunity. I've no savings, can't travel easily and can't work.

By the time my continually-delayed State pension age comes around, it will have been reduced while prices are going up, and quite possibly will be paid in pretend virtual money.

No, I'm not feeling positive.

Lots of info for you dont on EU funding in the north east
On a personal level, I think there will be an exodus of young, talented people (very much like Ireland after 2008)
I also think that suicide and self harm levels for young people will soar
Saw an article today that compares pensioners to the young - pensioners have had an 11% increase and young people a 7% decrease in their salaries/pensions
Millennials now earn less than their parents did at the same age!
As for leaving...yeah, think I will
And I will take my skill set, my taxes and my 2 great kids with me
Who will work and pay the taxes for your pension dont?
Not my kids!

...and I have no idea what you think I am
I'm working class, from the Midlands, I'm not posh nor entitled
But I do read, and can understand political and far right bias when I see/read it!
This country is now run by the most right wing govt since before WW2
We have a PM no one voted for
We have a FC who is making us a global laughing stock
We have an environment minister who wants to bring back fox hunting and doesn't believe in climate change
We are a joke and the EU will be glad to see the back of us
Murdoch and dacre got what they wanted...they control the media and have won
The nhs and education system will be privatised - American system here we come!
Hs2 will go ahead and do will trident despite the govts own policy makers saying they shouldn't

All in all I feel very negative about it all

Murdoch and dacre got what they wanted...they control the media and have won

This with bells, clashing cymbals, horns, trumpets and drums along with everything else you said badders. People are so fucking stupid, they fall for the propaganda every time. These people are practically depending on the poor to swallow their bullshit hook line and sinker and make decisions against their own interests. As was Farage and Co. And it always works with depressing dependability. People choose not to think.

Look at the downright disgusting way the media (and the BBC!) are dealing with Corbyn who threatens to loosen some of that influence on the poorest. Just look at the frenzy of 'party crisis' they have whipped up. How the Blarite MPs are carrying on. Practically having metaphorical sex with the right wing press, whilst the 10% get on with exploiting the poor for their profit. With government sanction.

Now is that democracy? Or a frustration of it? But 'we've got our sovereignty back, our democracy, (complete with unelected head of state, unelected house of lords, unelected prime minister) It's the EU which is responsible for not helping the poor!' Nothing to do with the way people have voted over the last 30 years under a cloak of corporate media self-interest.

Ignor fucking ramus

And FYI donthave I'm completely broke. I do however try to ensure my brain is not as impoverished as my bank account. Sorry can't bog off I'm British. Afraid your stuck with me and I with you. No the concept doesn't cheer me either.

Financial Journalists are saying...

The balance of investment in the FTSE100 has changed. The money is back there but it has shifted into more "defensive" positions; with tobacco, booze (weapons?) & similar companies worth a lot more than they were before 23 June. Companies with more international exposure are worth more and domestic-oriented companies less.

You know what, I'd love the Leaver people to be right. I REALLY REALLY would love them to be right. This would be so much eaiser for me, my dcs and DH.

But instead, I can only nod in agreemnet with Badder, Antique and lljkk.

So where are the Leaver proponents who could reasusre me it will be OK, who will show me that things are going to be fine, maybe with facts or proposals of what is going to happen and why?

Yes me too, but there just seems to be nothing there.

donthaveto

1. Yes I will leave and DH has started planning for it along with me. That's two highly skilled and educated people gone, Not to mention two young children who look very bright academically. Whose loss?and yes I will get faaaar better opportunities elsewhere. It will cut me to leave my home but I need to make a future for my children. It's their right.

1. I really really care about a lot of other people and specially this beautiful country and the younger generation that is massively pissed off in general and rightly so. I have had amazing night chances abroad.didnt leave so far because I love my country and its culture. Even now I will leave for my children, not for myself.

1. Read 2.

1. I don't think they are stupid. NOT ALL, but a big majority of them is blinded by media onslaught and it's not my fault but definitely partly their fault.

1. I don't have dual nationality but I am planning towards it now. And since you will be worse off without me, I feel sorry for you.

1. Leave it.

I really wish I could come up with some kind of argument for you now instead of a lot of words that are way below the belt too. But I don't feel elegant today. Good luck to you on your island (minus Scotland and Ireland).

Valentine,

So where are you going? What if it all ends well? Big regrets?

If it ends "well" larry, the status quo will be mostly retained, there is going to be no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

What if it all ends well?

Don't you mean: "It's all going to be awesome"?

Nope, but good for you feeling positive about it. Someone has to, even if it isn't me.

Had a chuckle yesterday about Brexiters goading about possible trade links with the Aussies. Let's all anticipate a wealth of marmite then as we all know how essential Aus is for trade to boom in Britain we can't even trade a lot of our home produce with the buggers due to their eco-system, so what use a trade link will be who knows.

This is the aussie perspective - quite polite compared with the "idiot little Englander poms" comments I have had "Don't they realise you don't rule the waves now" theconversation.com/brexit-stage-right-what-britains-decision-to-leave-the-eu-means-for-australia-61278

www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/19/imf-cuts-uk-growth-forecasts-following-brexit-vote

Oh the IMF, always so glass half full

Yet if it said Brexit was good you'd be crowing.

I don't understand the two posts following mine. I am a remainer, i think Brexit is terrible, I saw this article by the IMF saying it has affected the UK and global economy.

Bird We were being ironic, not directed at you! It is just every little bit of news about investors cashing in on the cheap pound is posted as the first swallow of the post Brexit Summer where unicorns will frolic and Britain will be great again. But every post of a bit of reality is being pessimistic and scare mongering.

The clue was in the sceptical emoticon but

Ok, it's been a long day!

larry
We are looking at Canada/Australia right now. If we are lucky enough for DH to manage a slight change in his career, we might even make it in EU/Scotland. But it's very early yet.
I don't want o sound sarcastic and cutting to any Leave voters here. I am just angry. And since I have exhausted all my arguments to get this response from you, I have a feeling there are loads of people out there like you. That gives me a hope we might not go ahead because May / her cabinet / MPs / courts are all in the way of BREXIT yet.