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To feel really positive about leaving the EU

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kitty1976 · 13/07/2016 22:59

I know there has been lots of fear stories but in a few weeks since the vote we have managed to get a new PM who seems more than capable and we are now in control of our destiny without being ruled by an unelected and unaccountable EU. The EU has for a long time been a basket case and has condemned much of the youth of Southern Europe to decades of unemployment, it's a relief to be out. Do remember we are now free to negotiate our own trade deals with the rest of the world and most countries are not in the EU and seem to do well. There have been so many fear stories which have been peddled by self interest. I wonder in 5 years time how many remainers will be asking to rejoin the EU!!

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Inkanta · 16/07/2016 21:51

Larry - you are breath of fresh air. Smile

time4chocolate · 16/07/2016 21:57

If there was a demand for it and it was in a Party's manifesto and they were voted in on that basis then I am sure we could have a vote on it (as the Australians did with regard to the Queen). Until this Referendum I hadn't heard from anyone in RL that these undemocratic posts were a huge issue for people.

BertrandRussell · 16/07/2016 22:02

So if you are happy with the way Britain is governed, what don't you like about the EC?

time4chocolate · 16/07/2016 22:07

Not biting Bertrand - I have mentioned it on other threads in the early days and got so much abuse (and I didn't even mention immigration) that I have learnt my lesson and am not going there again. But suffice to say it was multi layered and much researched.

Kaija · 16/07/2016 22:09

I wish just one leaver would come up with a single tangible benefit that we could reasonably expect to come about as a result of leaving, and just the faintest outline of how it might be achieved. It would make me feel a whole lot better.

BertrandRussell · 16/07/2016 22:11

I just meant in terms of democracy- nothing else. I was asking about your "undemocratic megastate" comment. And "democracy rules"

Kaija · 16/07/2016 22:13

Not prepared to say what you don't like about the EU, but it wasn't about immigration? I guess we'll just have to assume it was the bananas...

time4chocolate · 16/07/2016 22:15

Bertrand - I think you have the wrong poster, I'm pretty sure I didn't mention "undemocratic mega state" and "democracy rules" Confused

time4chocolate · 16/07/2016 22:15

Kaiija - no it was cucumbers actually.

Kaija · 16/07/2016 22:16

Sounds about right.

NoBetterName · 16/07/2016 22:17

Probably someone else has said it already but I cba to rtft.

You do realise we're not yet out of the EU, right?

Kaija · 16/07/2016 22:19

Nor do we yet have any idea how it is to be done.

Kaija · 16/07/2016 22:24

You're right. It may yet not happen. But either way, how much damage will be done in the foreseeable future from the fall in inward investment alone is pretty terrifying to think about.

NoBetterName · 16/07/2016 22:27

Though personally I'm hoping that since so many "leavers" seem to believe we left the day after the referendum, we'll just carry on as before (still in the EU), with the leavers believing the deed has already been done.

It seems to be a win-win solution all round, everyone happy :-) (Yay, me for PM!)

time4chocolate · 16/07/2016 22:29

Kaiija - this has been discussed plenty of times on other threads. Anyway, its not the voters job to work out how to do it, that was not what were we asked (and any way we are all supposed to be unintelligent so you would be wasting your time asking anyone on here!!).You would need to pose your question to TM.

smallfox2002 · 16/07/2016 22:35

TM doesn't know, and remember from all her "one nation" stuff Cameron's mantra was "all in it together".

Worryingly David Davis didn't know if Feb that you can't strike trade deals with individual EU countries.

It was also down to independent voters to find out what the costs and benefits were. As many, many leave voters came from disparate camps with different agendas there is no way of knowing what or why they voted out.

But we're here now, tell us why your researched points told you it would be better off out?

time4chocolate · 16/07/2016 22:40

Small - well they've got a lot of homework to do then. I have read your threads with interest, however, I am not prepared to provide you with your evening entertainment. You are going to have to wait for another poster to come along so that you can post lots of interesting links. You might be lucky and Larrygrylls might pop up later!!!

smallfox2002 · 16/07/2016 22:43

I'm not sure whether that was complimentary or cutting!

Kaija · 16/07/2016 22:43

Not the voters' job. So you just trusted those that led the leave campaign despite the fact that not one of them provided any outline as to how that might work? Because you see I felt that as a voter it was very much my job to test the claims of those on both sides against as much information as was available. How could you possibly do that and conclude that leaving was a good idea when there was no strategy for exiting, and no consistent picture of what being "out" actually means? What were you in fact voting for?

Kaija · 16/07/2016 22:46

Yes extremely worrying about David Davis. Can only hope he'll get a pretty rapid education and be restrained from doing anything too stupid in the meantime.

time4chocolate · 16/07/2016 23:03

Small - well it was complimentary in that I appreciate your posts, you are clearly passionate and I do read your links. However, I can't get into another trumping of info, it just tends to go round in circles and it doesn't change anything (and I think I am coming to the end of my time on MN as this last 4 weeks had showed me a whole new level of hate that I didn't even know existed (sad)

Kaiija - I didn't trust anything the leave campaign said and I didn't watch any of the tv debates. As I said unthread I did my research and was decided before any campaigning started. I refer you back to your comment where you mentioned about assuming my vote was about Bananas - you know what they say about the word assume - it makes an ass out of u and me.

smallfox2002 · 16/07/2016 23:07

I hope you never felt hate from me time4 :(

Sooverthis · 16/07/2016 23:07

Great news about David Davis I was beginning to think TM might try to wriggle out of A50 having a clear timeline will help focus everyone on achieving Brexit asap and getting us on track for a brighter better global future

GarlicStake · 16/07/2016 23:11

But why are your reasons such a big secret, time?

Honestly - if it's simply that you have high asset liquidity and established that you could make a killing when Little Britain's value bottomed out, that's be perfectly understandable & rational.

Insisting you've got grown-up reasons that you aren't telling is a trifle incredible odd, though.

Kaija · 16/07/2016 23:12

Ok, time4chocolate. As was surely obvious the banana comment was a joke about your unwillingness to share your reasons for disliking the eu, But even if you don't want to talk about that, surely you would be prepared to go into a little detail about what you hope to gain? What kind of Brexit are you hoping for? It must be clear to anyone by now who doesn't have their head buried in a bowl of custard that there are many different and wholly incompatible versions.