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Boris outmaneovered. Et tu Gove & Corbyn? The Westministenders Hunger Games Continues

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RedToothBrush · 01/07/2016 12:08

Following the Machiavellian Govian shambles? Utterly gobsmacked at the Labour clusterfuck?

Who will strike next?

Who will the shadowy hand of Osborne back?
Can Gove be launched back into space and back to the planet he came from?
Can May save the country from almost certain doom?
Will Leadsom patronise us all to death (whilst silently stabbing people in the back with a sweet smile)?
Can Johnson make a decision he can stick to, and can we persuade him to give up being a politician?
Will Steven Crabb get rid of that god awful beard?

Will Corbyn shoot himself in the other foot?
Will Angela Eagle get a spine and just stand?
Who the fuck is Owen Smith?
Will the Blairites be foiled and damned?
Are momentum a bunch of thugs or a force for a better, for the people?

Will Farage disappear back under his rock?
Will people wake up to Arron Banks?
What will Dominic Cummings destroy next?

Have we seen a coup d'état?
How do we improve democracy and representation?

All these questions and more.
Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

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nauticant · 04/07/2016 11:15

Or am I desperately out of touch here...

Get with the programme grandma. The stuff you're posting is so-o-o-o June 2106.

nauticant · 04/07/2016 11:16

Aargh! 2016. Bloody 2016. Bah.

Chalalala · 04/07/2016 11:21

lol

I'll go sob in the corner and reminisce about the good old days then

HalleLouja · 04/07/2016 11:25

Apparently Farage will only be back if a Brexit government isn't formed. We will see.

RedToothBrush · 04/07/2016 11:28

So Farage quitting, on the day Loathsom sets out her unicorn stall (in progress right now) is purely accidental. As are Johnson's comments.

Team Loathsom are in full action.

However assuming UKIP are leaderless, what next for them?
They tried this once before without him and it didn't work.

Are they about to also implode?

Is this part of the Banks rebranding plan?

I'm feeling even more uneasy this morning.

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HalleLouja · 04/07/2016 11:31

Red although it pains me to say this my source is close to the man. Not just friends in passing. Who knows what to believe anymore.

Chalalala · 04/07/2016 11:37

Loathsom

I like it

HalleLouja · 04/07/2016 11:39

I like Loathsom too.

RedToothBrush · 04/07/2016 11:40

Leadsom says she does not agree with what Philip Hammond said about how hard it would be for the UK to have access to the single market without accepting free movement. It would not be in the interests of other EU countries to impose tariffs, she says.

The woman is deluded.

Absolutely EVERYTHING she has said is grandstanding to the crowd. Just more unicorns and no clue what so ever.

Fucking hell. She might actually get the job.

She's potentially worse than Gove! How is that even possible?

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Peregrina · 04/07/2016 11:44

What a shower. Just when the country needs leadership, Cameron quits in tears, Johnson runs away, Farage mouths off and quits. Corbyn by contrast is villified for sticking to his post, when another spineless bunch want to oust him, but are playing a shall we/shank we game, instead of either putting up or shutting up.

Meanwhile, stunning silence and lack of plans from those business men loudly calling for Brexit. E.g. James Dyson, are you bringing production back to the UK to help the country get on its feet, and start training up staff to take on the jobs? Unless I've missed his announcement, not a dicky bird from him.

howtorebuild · 04/07/2016 11:47

Someone has commissioned a yougov survey, which I completed today. Lots of interesting questions about GE and EU voting, voting regrets, political party leader potentials you prefer, what type of EU deal you want and questions covering how you feel about yourself.

GingerIvy · 04/07/2016 11:48

I try to deliberately miss Lily Allen. She seems to change her views with the wind, depending on the publicity she garners.

GingerIvy · 04/07/2016 11:49

I have to admit, this made me smile. In a way, it's actually true. He's the only one that stuck to his job, and carried on.

Boris outmaneovered. Et tu Gove & Corbyn? The Westministenders Hunger Games Continues
Chalalala · 04/07/2016 11:50

When she did a MN chat I asked Leadsom a marginally more pressing question about the single market and free movement, and her response was that she did NOT want the UK to stay in the Single Market.

Absolutely EVERYTHING she has said is grandstanding to the crowd. Just more unicorns and no clue what so ever.

Fucking hell. She might actually get the job.

Why would she give up on a winning tactic - promising rainbows and unicorns won her the referendum.

RedToothBrush · 04/07/2016 11:50

Andrea Leadsom says UK immigration policy should be "focused on bringing the most talented people" to the country.
Ok.

Workers' rights would be "protected and enhanced" under her leadership, she claims, and she commits to "guaranteeing the rights of our EU friends who have already come here to live and work".
And? This is?

Ms Leadsom argues that people from elsewhere in the EU need certainty and promises: "There is no way they will be bargaining chips in our negotiations."
Good stuff. You've been listening then. So you know this is popular policy.

Andrea Leadsom says she wants to keep negotiations on leaving the EU "as short as possible" to avoid "prolonged uncertainty".
So jumping off another cliff without a plan and a period of public consultantion, is going to end this uncertainty?

A member of the cabinet would be dedicated to these negotiations - consulting businesses, farmers, trade unions and others. Devolved institution would also be consulted, she says, adding: "I will do everything in my power to keep the United Kingdom united."
Nice sentiment. We all like hot air.

She commits to reducing the deficit, saying "we have to get our house in order".
Well yes. You need to be a rocket scientist to say that.

The Northern Powerhouse project would be "supercharged", she says, recalling that Sunderland was one of the first places to record a Leave vote. And there would be an early decision on increasing airport capacity.
She knows where Sunderland is, and that its important.
(Unlucky South Wales. You should have got your counters to be faster. You are now at the back of the queue).

She describes the vote to Leave the EU as "a great moment in history" and adds: "The result is final. It must be respected and I will respect it."
Translation: I'm not going to have a public consultation. I am going to be a dictator who is going to cause problems and end up dealing with protestors.

She continues: "Freedom of movement will end and the British Parliament will decide how many people enter our country each year."
Oh ok. We are going to just give up our entire economy, just to have this then? I can see how we are going to manage to have Brexit over by Christmas then. It involves drawing a red line and the EU going in one big loud voice FUCK OFF THEN.

And Ms Leadsom appears willing to return to another promise made by the Leave campaign, saying: "Billions of pounds more will be invested in the NHS from the savings we make from cancelling our EU membership fee."

Figures? Detail? The Devil is detail. 2 billion? 30billion? 100billion? 350million? We can all make up numbers.

Sigh.

Its not looking good is it folks....?

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RedToothBrush · 04/07/2016 11:55

Michael Crick C4 news

May 112 (now guaranteed to be in the final two)
Gove 31
Leadsom 30
Crabb 24
Fox 12
Unknown 123

Come on Team Crabb!

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Chalalala · 04/07/2016 11:55

I've figured out who Andrea Leadsom reminds me of! Couldn't quite put my finger on it.

Dolores Umbridge. That's totally it. Sugarcoated evil.

RedToothBrush · 04/07/2016 11:56

Michael Crick ‏@MichaelLCrick
So when David Cameron steps down Liberal Democrat Tim Farron will be the longest serving leader of the main UK-wide parties

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ChardonnayKnickertonSmythe · 04/07/2016 11:58

She terrifying in her hafl competence presented in a messianic manner.

nauticant · 04/07/2016 12:00

Her Parliamentary career is based on working in the City. I wonder if she really thinks that she can refuse to compromise on any of the Article 50 negotiating points and get an outcome which will not cause significant damage to the financial services sector of the economy.

If she does I'd be interested to hear her reasoning (beyond "German car makers"). If not, what are the benefits she expects a post-financial services UK to provide?

DoinItFine · 04/07/2016 12:07

North-South ministerial council meeting in Dublin today to discuss how the English have fucked up our island without us having any say in the matter.

Plus ça change.

If Leadsom isn't plsnning to use our EU friends and neighbours, husbands and co-parents, as bargaining chips, then she's preferable to fascist May and her deportation programme.

My goodness, I am still so cross. Like a ball of rage. Even running for 5 miles hasn't helped.

BlueEyeshadow · 04/07/2016 12:14

Re the "poor and disenfranchised narrative" - I think Torygraph-reading areas would always have voted leave anyway - delusions of imperial grandeur/splendid isolation and all that. The austerity bollox and general anger/disillusionment with politics is (part of) what prompted people in other areas to vote for something so blatantly against their own interests.

TendonQueen · 04/07/2016 12:18

Really useful to read the points being made here. What do people make of this attempt by law firm Mishcon De Reya to stop Article 50 being triggered without a parliamentary vote?

RedToothBrush · 04/07/2016 12:20

I suppose we ought to look at the candidates for the UKIP leadership:

Nigel Farage - You might know this guy. Currently an MEP

Paul Nuttall – NW MEP. Writes for Sunday Sport column. Deputy Leader. Born in Bootle. Has MA in history from Liverpool Uni.

Steven Woolfe – NW MEP. Being labelled as the unity candidate. Born in Moss Side and raised in Burnage. He now also acts as a legal and regulatory consultant to financial institutions. Apparently 'one of UKIP’s better TV performers'.

Diane James – SW MEP. Partial to a gaffe. Went to Thames Valley Uni. She previously worked in the healthcare sector for more than 30 years, setting up her own international consultancy business. Admires Putin.

Peter Whittle – UKIP’s London mayoral candidate. Apparent not standing (maybe we should expect him to be a definite then)

Suzanne Evans – Former conservative. Used to work for the BBC. Was joint Deputy Chairman of the UKIP with Neil Hamilton. Was Farage's choice for interim leader when he last quit. Blamed poor UKIP support in London on the city's high number of "educated, cultured and young". She would like the job, but is currently on her second party suspension for rule breaking, which she is legally challenging.

Douglas Carswell – Ruled himself out. If that doesn't work, the party are trying to kick him out the party tonight anyway.

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SugarPlumTree · 04/07/2016 12:21

I really don't know what to make of the MDR action. I had a feeling a few days ago that lawyers would be grouping together once the initial shock subdued a fraction so it's not a surprise but don't know quite where this is going.

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