Boris outmaneovered. Et tu Gove & Corbyn? The Westministenders Hunger Games Continues

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Following the Machiavellian Govian shambles? Utterly gobsmacked at the Labour clusterfuck?

Who will strike next?

Who will the shadowy hand of Osborne back?
Can Gove be launched back into space and back to the planet he came from?
Can May save the country from almost certain doom?
Will Leadsom patronise us all to death (whilst silently stabbing people in the back with a sweet smile)?
Can Johnson make a decision he can stick to, and can we persuade him to give up being a politician?
Will Steven Crabb get rid of that god awful beard?

Will Corbyn shoot himself in the other foot?
Will Angela Eagle get a spine and just stand?
Who the fuck is Owen Smith?
Will the Blairites be foiled and damned?
Are momentum a bunch of thugs or a force for a better, for the people?

Will Farage disappear back under his rock?
Will people wake up to Arron Banks?
What will Dominic Cummings destroy next?

Have we seen a coup d'état?
How do we improve democracy and representation?

All these questions and more.
Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

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Anyway, whats Mr Crabb proposing when he's not moonlighting as a singer?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36700080
Well it seems like he might have got a bit confused and thinks he's in with a shot for the Labour leadership. Or maybe he's just hedging his bets.

Tory leadership contender Stephen Crabb has pledged to create a £100bn "Growing Britain Fund" if elected.

He and his proposed Chancellor Sajid Javid said they would also bring forward current infrastructure plans, including the electrification of the TransPennine Manchester to Leeds rail route which was put on hold last year.^

They plan to issue up to £20bn of long-dated bonds each year for five successive years to create the fund.

It would also be used to invest in social housing, school buildings and new prisons, Mr Crabb said.

Mr Javid claimed the plan could create "hundreds of thousands" of new jobs

Seriously though, this is starting to sound a lot like Roosevelt's New Deal in the 1930s which 'focused on what historians refer to as the "3 Rs," Relief, Recovery, and Reform: relief for the unemployed and poor, recovery of the economy to normal levels, and reform of the financial system to prevent a repeat depression.'

Hmmm.....

Interesting article in the Mail trying to make them, men of the people:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3671885/Tory-leadership-hopeful-Stephen-Crabb-admits-running-mate-Sajid-Javid-young-insists-experience-Thatcher-did.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

I'd have that any day of the week compared with Loathsom and her Kipper mates. Of course, reading that, he has about as much chance of winning the leadership as I do.

Labour Leadership contest appear to now been dubbed The Chicken Coup

Angela Eagle needs to either step up or shut up. She had the opportunity to challenge him for leadership, and she bailed. Doesn't she realise she's making herself look indecisive and lacking in confidence? Not exactly something we're looking for in a party leader.

Crabb does sound a bit like he's counting his chickens....

The problem is that the divisiveness is going to get worse the longer uncertainty goes on and the worse the economy gets.

It's definitely not the fault of some "remainers" for marching and protesting because the problem is deeper than a yes/no vote on the EU.

Even if it was all on that one vote - it's also only been one week - now's not the time to tell everyone to just shut up and unite - partly because there's nothing to unite behind.

Only some incredibly good leadership is going to help and it's going to take time for communities to heal. The only leaders I have seen do any form of calming are Obama (unreliable and not "on our side") and Martin Lewis (not a politician and has got things massively wrong in the past).

(By our side I mean "the UKs". Or Britain's or whatever we refer to ourselves collectively as.)

Farage has resigned as leader of UKIP.

I know GingerIvy, you didn't ask for this.

I guess it depends how you look at it - you see it as divisive, but I think it's important that there is a strong voice, somewhere, speaking for the 48% and refusing to give the Tories a mandate to interpret the vote however they choose. No decisions have been taken, so now is the time to be heard and try to influence things.

It would be different (maybe) if there was a real opposition, but Labour are drowning and Tim Farron is shouting in a corner with no one listening.

InShock That's exactly why I'm disgusted with Cameron for his behaviour which threw the Tories into chaos and with Labour MPs for throwing their own party into chaos. This was NOT the time for them to come unglued. So much for acting for the good of the country.

I'm not saying everyone needs to shut up and unite. I'm saying we need some strong leadership as there is just scattershot chaos everywhere, and it's this protest here, and legal action there, and so forth. People are getting angry and the country just seems to be pulling apart in all directions.

The only person I want told to actually shut up right now is Angela Eagle. Her saying she will "'resolve' Labour crisis if Corbyn doesn't go" after she bottled her chance to step up for a leadership challenge is annoying at best.

Doinit according to his mate he won't be back at least for a while.

Oh wait Farage isn't getting enough attention.

He's just quit as leader of UKIP.
Again.

Sweep stake anyone?

In response to Farage's resignation:

Douglas Carswell MP ✔ ‎@DouglasCarswell
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One of the problems with electrifying the Trans Pennine route, is, as you may have guessed, a lack of skilled engineers to carry out the work. The days of Brunel and other railway pioneers employing huge teams of navvies are long, long gone.

Is this a ploy to get himself onto the negotiating team?

He's now an MEP and free agent.

DoinIt that was my first thought.

Reading the comments on DM and the conservative members website, Leadsom + Farage appears to be their dream team

Doinit but then surely he would have quit after the Tory election was sorted.... Who knows. His friend says he puts a lot out there for attention and not everything he says represents his actual views. Apparently he just wants to make Britain great again. Or similar...... But then you lot knew that already.

Maybe he wants to be on someone's electoral ticket?

If it was to go to the party and he was on Leadsom's team, she'd be very hard to beat.

But who knows?

Did anyone read his comments about turkeys voting for Christmas?

It just wasn't open for Cameron to say he'd continue as leader. He could have insisted on immediately activating Article 50 to make a point of having stuck by his word but that wouldn't have been in the national interest.

He should retire from public life in shame over what he did up to 24 June. Once the vote was in I'm not sure what he should have done. (I'm assuming he's still actually doing stuff in No.10 and hasn't decided he's got 3 months of gardening leave chillaxing to look forward to.)

Ginger, sorry, I know you didn't say to "shut up" as such, it just feels like that's the gist of a lot of people now, and it's putting the blame on the wrong group. Austerity policies have a lot to answer for, and I completely agree about the leaders - they've all shown themselves up this week hugely.

And now Farrage weasels off into a happy retirement sunset too.

No matter what happens in the future he'll get all the glory from the racists etc and none of the flak - as when if it goes wrong, he would have done it properly himself given the chance...

Words can't express my utter disgust for the little smug trouble making shit.

Yesterday, Mr Farage was seen dining at a do with Mr Murdoch.
Today he quits.

The cynic in me, thinks Lily Allen better watch her back.

Helmet The 'poor and disenfranchised* narrative seems to be winning over every other possible narrative, for some reason - and I share your misgivings that this is the only story. Which begs the question as to why it is being forwarded as the dominant narrative. It doesn't stack up with the overall voting pattern. So why this narrative?

Ginger There is still a lot to play for. It is far too early for Remainers to be quiet. The shape of the deal we push for has yet to be determined. The very worst case scenario is one that sacrifices long-term national interest (when we have an economy so very dependent - rightly or wrongly - on the financial sector) for vote-winning curbs on immigration. There is an alliance to be made with soft-Leavers and Remainers on this. And the only place it is going to be forged is in the extra-parliamentary arena.

Red's analysis of the UK's economy (vis à vis the Switzerland deal) lays out what is at stake with any possible deal, really.

Red, yes re. Crabb. It's hard to see how much damage-limitation, ahead of any deal, can be done (how do you undo years of under-investment in a couple of years and attract the necessary foreign investment in the face of massive financial uncertainty?) - but at least giving it a go can't be a bad thing, surely?

Farage ... what do you say?

Re. Lily Allen - yes. I was quite chilled by her report that people at the party were telling her to just.not.do. that.

I missed the Lily thing - what?

Carswell on the Daily Politics show saying 'I tweet smiley faces all the time. I'm a very optimistic person'.

www.theguardian.com/music/2016/jul/03/farage-murdoch-lebedev-and-fox-break-bread-as-told-by-lily-allen

if it was to go to the party and he was on Leadsom's team, she'd be very hard to beat.

I would have naively assumed that having Farage on the ticket would decredibilise her?! Especially among all the moderate Conservatives who voted Leave but would not be caught dead supporting UKIP? (they exist, right?!)

Or am I desperately out of touch here...