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Brexit

The Remain camp's vile apocalyptic narrative

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mamamea · 29/06/2016 19:07

A lot of Remainers seem to believe that 52% of the country are evil racists. Minor racist incidents are being made into front page news.

Some people seem to think that racism was invented last Thursday. Confirmation bias is a powerful thing - the media always have a story to push, and they will seize on any incident that fits that, while rejecting those that don't.

The police have come out and said that the media and the ludicrous Remainers who are determined that our country has turned into a post-apocalyptic hellhole in the space of 24 hours, are talking bollocks, frankly. Facts, however, are not all that important, when there is a 'our country is going to become a hellhole in the space of a few months' narrative to push because people have not got their way.

Remain insist that we are going bust, or perhaps have gone bust already. Everything that will happen in the future, on any subject, is going to be terrible - we will be gassed due to hitherto EU-inhibited pollution, we will lose all our employment rights and become slaves, The Troubles will restart in Northern Ireland, and so the narrative goes on and on and on, with any p.

I have never seen such an absurd response to ANY event in Britain, but for me it absolutely confirms what I have long since suspected about the so-called liberal left - that they are anything but liberal, they only accept THEIR viewpoint, and anything other than this will be ruthlessly slandered and derided. Similar responses are typically seen when the Conservative party wins an election - but this surpasses anything seen after 2010 or 2015. The Remain camp are organising demonstrations which they, absurdly, claim are supposed to demonstrate togetherness, but have names like 'Manchester stays' (which clearly demonstrate that they are intended to exclude the 52% of the population that wants to Leave, and indeed could be interpreted as an ultimatum).

No-one from the Reman side seems interested in genuinely working together to write a positive 'Leave' story for the future (nobody's saying, for instance, 'let's emulate Norway', they instead if they do reference Norway, it's to further deprecate the Leavers by saying how stupid it would be to Leave only to go with the Norwegian model, which is just the same (except of course it can't be because they are determined that Leave is a highway to hell, so they must hold the contrary position of insisting that Leave position x is not worth the trouble, while Leave position y is evil)). They prefer instead engage in nihilistic rhetoric about racism and economic doom, and fling insults at those involved with Leave. (Leave leader X is posh, Leave leader Y went to private school, Leave voters are stupid, inbred and racist, so old they aren't entitled to an opinion and should probably be subject to compulsory euthanasia, and so on and on and on)

It's astonishing that the 48% are trying to divide and insult the 52%, and to insist that we are doomed. Do people really think this is a way to deal with people with different opinions? I know it has been tried in the past - clearly quite a lot of people object, for instance, to mass immigration from Eastern Europe (for which public consent would not have been given, hence it was never sought), and the rhetoric is always much the same - "oh look, this person who objects is a racist, game over 'we win'". This 'you are a racist' device has been successfully employed for years, but it turns out, in reality, that it never convinced - the majority of the country, when directly asked, said 'No' to the EU and to globalism. Yet apparently the Remain camp still wants to continue with this tactic, even though it has clearly failed. No need to engage with people's concerns, when you can just pull a Gordon Brown and say 'bigoted woman', and move swiftly onward.

What planet are Remain living on, when their narrative is rejected by the biggest popular mandate in living memory, and yet they still think it will pay off to push it, but now with an added side of 'how very dare you, you racist inbred half-wit'? Clearly this totalitarian illiberal liberalism is a very powerful force in Western society, but we have rejected it by a clear majority, despite Remain employing every slander it could think of prior to the referendum (if you vote Leave, you are complicit in murder, and all the rest).

How long will this go on? For how long can Remain continue to deny reality, that they are on the wrong side of history? Will they try to add 'an uneducated Leave voter is only worth 3/5 of a degree-educated Remain voter' to their existing 'a 70 year old Leave voter is only worth 1/3 of a 20-year-old Remain voter' arsenal of denial?

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Kitla · 30/06/2016 08:01

This is a little late now... But please do not assume those who did not vote chose not to, so their voices are invalid. What about those who could not vote?

My parents registered for a postal vote. It never arrived. What about the others whose postal votes never arrived? Esp those living abroad? Or what about those who ended up in hospital and so unable to vote? There are all sorts of reasons why someone may not have been able to vote.

Please do not assume everyone who did not vote did so because they chose not to. It wasn't always a choice.

DigestiveBiscuit · 30/06/2016 08:40

To set the record straight, DH and I are left wing and no political party represents the left wing. Labour are little different from the Conservatives, because they are so busy chasing the middle class vote. We did not vote
Leave because of politicians' lies about the NHS or anything else - it was a decision we came to by ourselves, as did our children.

BreakingDad77 · 30/06/2016 11:30

No-one from the Reman side seems interested in genuinely working together to write a positive 'Leave' story for the future

Most remainers I know are thinking about how we might navigate EEA and whats going to be the least destructive for the country. All I am seeing from Leave is whining and minimizing of racism.

You so passionate about democracy ok lets scrap the house of lords, lets bring in proportional representation as I vote in every general election and its the same party that wins.

We have a lot of science and tech jobs reliant on EU, they cant just be replaced, unless UK government matches funding.(Raise taxes or cut services)

Regional funding that will be lost (Raise taxes and or cut service)

I didn't realise that london is the worlds biggest financial sector (probably clouded by my hatred, will just get lost thats a lot of tax etc so will need to raise tax and or cut services. That should currently be used to develop outside of London but hasn't which is part of the problem )

NHS struggling but there are reports that there is £120 billion of tax evaded and avoided. (raise taxes and enforcement)

I dont want to see any more cuts tbh so raise taxes it is.

HopeArden · 30/06/2016 11:33

Does anyone have a percentage for those who were unable to vote?

BreakingDad77 · 30/06/2016 11:39

The 'apocalypse' hasn't happened as there is no plan, which worries me most about Leavers is that Leave has some drastically different permutations.

How business etc reacts will directly be attributed to wether we go EEA, or "Take back Control" completely we will just be in this fugue in the meantime.

MaliceInWonderland78 · 30/06/2016 11:57

Given that the leave campaign were excluded from certain civil service briefings, and were up against the entire machinery of government, it really isn't surprising that they don't have a concrete plan. The government could (and should) have been planning for this scenario.

We do now need to move on. I am though very concerned at the ease with which some on the remain camp seem to be prepared to ignore the democratic will of the people. As a democrat, first and foremost, this sends chills down my spine. As it should any right and fair-minded person.

lifeistooshort · 30/06/2016 12:06

theElementSong Best post ever!!! I might frame it! Grin

noblegiraffe · 30/06/2016 12:14

Given that the leave campaign were excluded from certain civil service briefings, and were up against the entire machinery of government, it really isn't surprising that they don't have a concrete plan.

That's not why they didn't have a plan though, they didn't have a plan because a plan would have lost them the vote. Their campaign manager blogged about it last year.

NameChanger22 · 30/06/2016 12:18

Life has been really shit for the last week. I've hardly slept because of worries and uncertainty. Will it ever be ok again? Do I trust the liars that led us into this mess that it will all be fine, no need to panic? Do I just sit back and say nothing because it upsets the winners? Last week my worries were small by comparison,, this week my head is spinning.

IToldYouIWasFreaky · 30/06/2016 12:20

We do now need to move on. I am though very concerned at the ease with which some on the remain camp seem to be prepared to ignore the democratic will of the people. As a democrat, first and foremost, this sends chills down my spine. As it should any right and fair-minded person.

Rubbish! What is undemocratic about protesting the result? Signing petitions? Pointing out that much of the Leave campaign was built on whopping great lies? What is undemocratic about TALKING about the result? Asking what the plan is? How exactly we're going to "move on"? The things I have found so far that I can personally do are buy British (thanks for the suggestion Sierra!), wear a safety pin (though not convinced of that yet...) and apply for an Irish passport for me and DS.

Oh, and keep the discussion going. Keep the pressure on our politicians to do something about this bloody mess.

As a Remainer, I am not ignoring the will of the people. Far from it. It's the Leavers who want to ignore it, to pretend that everything is fine and we should all just shut up and get on with it. That is not my idea of democracy.

IToldYouIWasFreaky · 30/06/2016 12:22

Oh, and theElementSong...cracking post!

BreakingDad77 · 30/06/2016 12:30

As a democrat, first and foremost, this sends chills down my spine. As it should any right and fair-minded person

Give me a break the campaign was based on lies, within hours of win they backtracked on everything. Thats not democracy thats a COUP.

MaliceInWonderland78 · 30/06/2016 12:34

IToldYou

Calm down dear!

I said some in the remain camp. There are too many (to my mind) who would, if offered the opportunity, take any option they could to prevent Brexit from happening.

That's quite legitimate and correct prior to the vote, but NOT once the result has been declared.

pippilongstoking · 30/06/2016 12:51

"As a democrat, first and foremost, this sends chills down my spine. As it should any right and fair-minded person"

I'm amazed how it is all suddenly 'democracy' to vote against the EU. However, never question the non-elections of the Prime Minister (or any other Ministers, for that matter), House of Lord and dare I say it, the Queen?

Oh, and for the 'we pay more to the EU than we ever get back'. Raise their hand who got more from the state than the tax they have paid in? Somehow we just accept that that's the way it is.

IToldYouIWasFreaky · 30/06/2016 12:55

I said some in the remain camp. There are too many (to my mind) who would, if offered the opportunity, take any option they could to prevent Brexit from happening.

Who?

MaliceInWonderland78 · 30/06/2016 13:06

pip I can't speak for everyone, but I think it's pretty well acknowledged that we have a Prime Minister and not a President (though you'd sometimes be forgiven for thinking otherwise). The PM is elected by the party with the most seats. A slight disconnect, but not something that keeps me awake at night.

The Monarchy, I'm not too fussed about - as it doesn't affect me in the day to day.

The House of Lords.......again, Parliament has primacy.

I get far less back from the State than I've paid in. The difference with the EU, is that I'm being asked to accept that deficit being used to build footbridges in Gdansk .

ITold

Read these boards, read the Independent.

IToldYouIWasFreaky · 30/06/2016 13:12

The Monarchy, I'm not too fussed about - as it doesn't affect me in the day to day.

Having an unelected head of state doesn't bother you? I thought you were a "democrat, first and foremost"?

AdultingIsNotWhatIExpected · 30/06/2016 13:16

It has become a hell over night for people whose rights to live in their home together with their families were based on being part of the EU, and now they feel like they're living on quick sand, and there are no new rules yet so they can't even get on with trying to work within them

It has become hell over night for people whose livlihood was based on being in the EU.

Even if it's not affecting you, how can you lack empathy for the people who it actually is affecting, really, now, already!

MaliceInWonderland78 · 30/06/2016 13:16

Because we have a Constitutional Monarchy.

AdultingIsNotWhatIExpected · 30/06/2016 13:19

I get far less back from the State than I've paid in.

We get far less back from the Monarchy than we pay in

ManonLescaut · 30/06/2016 13:21

No-one from the Reman side seems interested in genuinely working together to write a positive 'Leave' story for the future

Leave don't have a 'story', for a story you need a plan.

MaliceInWonderland78 · 30/06/2016 13:31

We get far less back from the Monarchy than we pay in

I'm not sure about that.... Still, we're going slightly off-piste.

MaliceInWonderland78 · 30/06/2016 13:34

This is going to anger some of the delicate snowflakes/pearl-clutchers on here, but here goes:

I'm not too bothered about not having a plan. I'm pretty much a 'let the chips fall where they may'

I agree, that we've got to have a sense of direction (out in this case), but the details will follow later. It's impossible to plan, when so much of the future is outwith our control (this was true of remaining too by the way - there was no status quo).

Best foot forward, hope for the best. What's the worst that could happen? Grin

MaidOfStars · 30/06/2016 13:35

Our vile narrative of fear. Or as its now known, the news.
I got to here and found the words I was looking for.

I haven't read the rest of the thread. I can only hope this has been quoted many times. And now again.

AdultingIsNotWhatIExpected · 30/06/2016 13:35

No-one from the Reman side seems interested in genuinely working together to write a positive 'Leave' story for the future

for example?
what are remainers NOT doing that you think they should be doing?
In terms of actual concrete actions?
What do you think the public can do to help shape a positive future?

(other than of course stand up against the xenophoic backlash and fight the idea that it's okay to be openly racist in our brave new world, which lots of remainers are doing)