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The Remain camp's vile apocalyptic narrative

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mamamea · 29/06/2016 19:07

A lot of Remainers seem to believe that 52% of the country are evil racists. Minor racist incidents are being made into front page news.

Some people seem to think that racism was invented last Thursday. Confirmation bias is a powerful thing - the media always have a story to push, and they will seize on any incident that fits that, while rejecting those that don't.

The police have come out and said that the media and the ludicrous Remainers who are determined that our country has turned into a post-apocalyptic hellhole in the space of 24 hours, are talking bollocks, frankly. Facts, however, are not all that important, when there is a 'our country is going to become a hellhole in the space of a few months' narrative to push because people have not got their way.

Remain insist that we are going bust, or perhaps have gone bust already. Everything that will happen in the future, on any subject, is going to be terrible - we will be gassed due to hitherto EU-inhibited pollution, we will lose all our employment rights and become slaves, The Troubles will restart in Northern Ireland, and so the narrative goes on and on and on, with any p.

I have never seen such an absurd response to ANY event in Britain, but for me it absolutely confirms what I have long since suspected about the so-called liberal left - that they are anything but liberal, they only accept THEIR viewpoint, and anything other than this will be ruthlessly slandered and derided. Similar responses are typically seen when the Conservative party wins an election - but this surpasses anything seen after 2010 or 2015. The Remain camp are organising demonstrations which they, absurdly, claim are supposed to demonstrate togetherness, but have names like 'Manchester stays' (which clearly demonstrate that they are intended to exclude the 52% of the population that wants to Leave, and indeed could be interpreted as an ultimatum).

No-one from the Reman side seems interested in genuinely working together to write a positive 'Leave' story for the future (nobody's saying, for instance, 'let's emulate Norway', they instead if they do reference Norway, it's to further deprecate the Leavers by saying how stupid it would be to Leave only to go with the Norwegian model, which is just the same (except of course it can't be because they are determined that Leave is a highway to hell, so they must hold the contrary position of insisting that Leave position x is not worth the trouble, while Leave position y is evil)). They prefer instead engage in nihilistic rhetoric about racism and economic doom, and fling insults at those involved with Leave. (Leave leader X is posh, Leave leader Y went to private school, Leave voters are stupid, inbred and racist, so old they aren't entitled to an opinion and should probably be subject to compulsory euthanasia, and so on and on and on)

It's astonishing that the 48% are trying to divide and insult the 52%, and to insist that we are doomed. Do people really think this is a way to deal with people with different opinions? I know it has been tried in the past - clearly quite a lot of people object, for instance, to mass immigration from Eastern Europe (for which public consent would not have been given, hence it was never sought), and the rhetoric is always much the same - "oh look, this person who objects is a racist, game over 'we win'". This 'you are a racist' device has been successfully employed for years, but it turns out, in reality, that it never convinced - the majority of the country, when directly asked, said 'No' to the EU and to globalism. Yet apparently the Remain camp still wants to continue with this tactic, even though it has clearly failed. No need to engage with people's concerns, when you can just pull a Gordon Brown and say 'bigoted woman', and move swiftly onward.

What planet are Remain living on, when their narrative is rejected by the biggest popular mandate in living memory, and yet they still think it will pay off to push it, but now with an added side of 'how very dare you, you racist inbred half-wit'? Clearly this totalitarian illiberal liberalism is a very powerful force in Western society, but we have rejected it by a clear majority, despite Remain employing every slander it could think of prior to the referendum (if you vote Leave, you are complicit in murder, and all the rest).

How long will this go on? For how long can Remain continue to deny reality, that they are on the wrong side of history? Will they try to add 'an uneducated Leave voter is only worth 3/5 of a degree-educated Remain voter' to their existing 'a 70 year old Leave voter is only worth 1/3 of a 20-year-old Remain voter' arsenal of denial?

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Capricorn76 · 29/06/2016 21:37

Fantasic post TheElementsong!

By the way OP I'm socially liberal but fiscally Conservative and a remainer. Many remainers I know are like me, middle class workers or small business owners.

Also there is no such thing as a 'minor' racist attack. How would you feel if you complained about sexual assault only to be told to get over it as it was minor and at least you weren't murdered?

Helmetbymidnight · 29/06/2016 21:40

Elements, are you busy September onwards? There's a vacancy come up Wink

bakeoffcake · 29/06/2016 21:46

Brilliant post TheElements

Hamishandthefoxes · 29/06/2016 21:47

Fab post elements.

I accept the result, I don't like it but I accept it. I'd really like to start working with the rest of the country to fix this mess just as soon as someone tells me what I'm meant to do.

Anyone?

Anyone?

Helmetbymidnight · 29/06/2016 21:49

I think the most important thing you can do is to deny any rise in racism, right op?

Headofthehive55 · 29/06/2016 21:49

elements Grin

DeloresJaneUmbridge · 29/06/2016 21:54

I accept the result.

I don't think the 52% are racist xenophobes.

I AM hacked off that there is no plan and that we,are currently a laughing stock.

But hey guess that's MY problem.

Very very pissed off that the far right nut jobs have taken it as a,licence to be abusive.

You should be more pissed off that these same nutjobs have assumed you support their actions.

Sierra259 · 29/06/2016 21:55

Great post elements Grin

girlinacoma · 29/06/2016 22:07

The far right across Europe is jubilant. Marine Le Pen changed her profile to a union flag. I appreciate that the majority of leave voters didn't want this and don't endorse it, but they legitimised it

Hmm
darceybussell · 29/06/2016 22:20

Aside from the racism argument, the number of leavers and the tabloid newspapers looking at the FTSE and proclaiming that the fact that it has gone up again means that 'hey presto there's no recession' is irritating me. I work for a very large professional services firm. I know of five major corporate finance transactions that have fallen through since Friday as a result of the leave vote. It's naive to think there won't be any slowdown. It is already happening!

SnowBells · 29/06/2016 22:21

Oibeer

It's a mixture of things. Schooling definitely plays a role here, but culture, too. In Britain, a politician's "performance" is highly valued. You don't climb up the political ladder in the two main parties (Tory and Labour) without being a little gregarious and being an entertainer. The average Brit is a bit of a sucker for that.

I personally don't think Dove is very intelligent. If this was 'Mean Girls', he'd be Gretchen Wiener - a tag-along. BoJo is meant to have some intellect, but I think he sold that intellect when he worked as a journalist and realised the public reacted better to made-up stories. I'm not kidding - BoJo LIED when he was a journalist. He made up stories. To him, all that mattered was that he sounded believable. He was penalised for it (let go)... and what does the gullible public do? They vote for him as a politician. Cameron, I think, wasn't too bad - but was influenced by all the wrong people in his second term. I liked him better when he worked with Nick Clegg - and I'm wondering whether Cameron is missing Clegg these days.

TheElementsSong · 29/06/2016 22:23

^^ Grin

CaptainBrickbeard · 29/06/2016 22:36

Element please copy and paste that post onto every referendum thread, it is perfect and reminds me that the upside of such dark times is that we tend to get some brilliant, biting, satirical comedy. So there's a tiny silver lining in this absolute shitstorm anyway!

pippilongstoking · 29/06/2016 22:36

TheElementsSong

wow! great post, thank you very much

Reading all these threads does help (I was a mess on Friday, tbh), thank you all fellow Remainers.

MotherOfBleach · 29/06/2016 22:41

No-one from the Reman side seems interested in genuinely working together to write a positive 'Leave' story for the future

Why the fuck should Remain write the plan? How can Remain write the plan when Leave can't/won't tell us what, exactly it wants?

Leave should have planned for this when they asked for it. They have had a clear, concise set of goals and at least an inkling of how best to get there. They don't. They've admitted that.

Leave wanted this. They got it. They can fix it.

I've said it before on another thread, and I'll say it again now, when there is something tangible for me to "work towards" I will consider my position on working towards it. Until then fuck off and let me be miserable about the future you have taken from my children in favour of your unclear view of a different/same/better/worse future.

I suspect many Remainers feel similar.

Racism is never minor.

Headofthehive55 · 29/06/2016 22:51

Where is clegg? Might he have a plan?

80sMum · 29/06/2016 23:05

"I've said it before on another thread, and I'll say it again now, when there is something tangible for me to "work towards" I will consider my position on working towards it. Until then fuck off and let me be miserable about the future you have taken from my children in favour of your unclear view of a different/same/better/worse future.

I suspect many Remainers feel similar".*

^ You are right MotherofBleach! This Remainer feels exactly like that!

SnowBells · 29/06/2016 23:21

HeadoftheHive55

Did you not read Nick Clegg's article released the day before the referendum, which outlines what would happen in case of a Brexit vote.

Earned him the Twitter hashtag #MysticClegg. Smile

Sierra259 · 29/06/2016 23:32

Yy to the attitude of being angry and disappointed, but perfectly willing to muck in once someone tells us what the fuck we are meant to be doing ! We are just in limbo at the moment, waiting for our government to dick about while they simultaneously implode.

I saw a post on FB the other day encouraging us all to Buy British in the supermarkets etc to try and boost the economy a little. That I can do! Any other practical suggestions?

noblegiraffe · 29/06/2016 23:38

Become a member of the shadow cabinet? I hear they're recruiting.

TheElementsSong · 29/06/2016 23:49

encouraging us all to Buy British in the supermarkets

See, that's a useful suggestion Sierra! I do that anyway because Food Miles, but that can be an extra incentive.

tilder · 30/06/2016 07:00

Grin noblegiraffe

Babysafari · 30/06/2016 07:25

I don't know if anyone's pointed this out yet but 52% of the country didn't vote to leave because not everyone voted. So no ones accusing 52% of the country of being racist and bigoted.

Sierra259 · 30/06/2016 07:33

Grin noble

ColinFirthsGirth · 30/06/2016 07:47

I was a remain voter and I am more than willing to work towards a positive better future. However I am also sad which and it is my right to feel that. I know people that have been racially abused in the last week - it is never minor to them ever! I have never lumped every Leave voter into the same camp. But that is what you are doing OP.