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Have Boris and Jeremy been stabbed in the back? Please can we have some leaders?

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RedToothBrush · 29/06/2016 16:48

And another thread about antics of President Boris and Comrade Jeremy and all their friends.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2670552-Has-Boris-been-outmanoeuvred?pg=1 Previous thread 1

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2672388-Has-Boris-been-outmanoevered-Will-someone-please-tell-me-who-is-in-charge Previous thread 2

Can we laugh or cry yet?

Are you still sane?

Will this insanity ever end?

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officerhinrika · 30/06/2016 16:24

Oh thank goodness for that, haven't been able to post on the app for two days! Most frustrating, but I have kept reading avidly. Keep going everyone, this is my sane place.

DoinItFine · 30/06/2016 16:24

"Mark Carney's delivery" 😘😋

InShockReally · 30/06/2016 16:26

Bollocks. Wondered how they were all dealing with it in Daily Mail land so went for a peer. Predictably perhaps they're portraying Boris being stabbed in the back by Gove, nothing else.

But the comment section is a bit awful and I'm back to feeling thoroughly shite about the country I live in. Most thoroughly adore Gove, think he'll carry out the 'voice of the people' in Brexit; and absolutely loathe May and associate her with Sharia Law. There's absolutely no shades of grey for some of these: 'the voice of the people' has spoken, and many comments along the lines of this one: "It was about immigration. Close the borders, now."

... Is there any way this whole sorry saga is going to play out without violence do you think?

MrsLupo · 30/06/2016 16:29

Mark Carney's voice is making me want to sleep...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

peachpudding · 30/06/2016 16:31

May is associated with Sharia Law WTF kinda comment is that!

UnGoogleable · 30/06/2016 16:31

I wonder what this will do to the 'Bregetters'. Of the Leave voters that I know nearly all of them said they voted because they liked Boris and wanted him as PM.

It really is an extraordinary turn of events. What ever next?

I bet the political pundits, Laura Kuenssberg and the like are simultaneously elated at this week of the gift that keeps on giving - and thoroughly exhausted and desperately in need of sleep!

howabout · 30/06/2016 16:33

Mark Carney never has a plan and now he's admitting "there are limits to what the BoE can do" Surely he should have explained the role of expansionary fiscal policy to his best mate GO if it turns out he actually does understand it.

He bores me too much to engage much with what he was saying about managing liquidity.

peach absolutely no chance. Too many outward looking Scots mapping out the usual route of a trip to London to establish yourself before moving on to World domination or semi-retirement at home imho obvs.

MitzyLeFrouf · 30/06/2016 16:34

WTF kinda comment is that!

A Daily Mail one it would seem!

RedToothBrush · 30/06/2016 16:34

And there's more:
www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/06/30/all-the-times-gove-said-he-didnt-want-to-be-prime-minister

"I am an inconceivable choice as party leader,"
2013

"The one thing I do know having seen David Cameron up close is it takes extraordinary reserves of patience of judgement of character to lead this country and he has it and I don't and I think it's important to recognise in life you’ve reached an appropriate point"
2013

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MitzyLeFrouf · 30/06/2016 16:35

"I am an inconceivable choice as party leader,"

Well I agree with him there!

DoinItFine · 30/06/2016 16:38

peachpudding - maybe she once explained how Sharia law works in the UK in a public forum or something?

She probably meets lots of Muslims in her job as Home Secretaty, so maybe they got to her?

I think that is the level of discourse you're talking about here.

😕

I realised yesterday that I don't know a single Leave voter.

Like I didn't know anyone who voted against marriage equality.

The homophilia is strong in me, clearly.

Hmm

I'm in a bubble.

MrsLupo · 30/06/2016 16:40

Perhaps Gove's goal was only ever to knife BJ, in which case his job is done. Sounds like this is as far as he will go anyway.

DoinItFine · 30/06/2016 16:41

Surely he should have explained the role of expansionary fiscal policy to his best mate GO if it turns out he actually does understand it.

His hints on the role of fiscal policy are not always subtle.

But GO is not listening.

RedToothBrush · 30/06/2016 16:45

The Belfast Agreement has, at its heart, however, an even greater wickedness. It is a capitulation to violence, a validation of terrorism which has led “demilitarisation” – the removal of the British Army from our sovereign territory – to be rendered as the equivalent to “decommissioning” – the placing beyond use of illegally-held criminal arsenals. The moral stain of such a process will prove hard to efface. It is a humiliation of our Army, Police and Parliament. But, worst still, it is a denial of our national integrity, in every sense of the word. Surely, is the Belfast Agreement not the greatest achievement of this Government, but an indelible mark against it?
www.cps.org.uk/files/reports/original/111220142628-thepriceofpeace2000MichaelGove.pdf

FUCK ME.

I did not know he said that.

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UnGoogleable · 30/06/2016 16:46

Osbourne is suspiciously invisible in all of this once again. I think his strategy is to stay well away from the shit slinging, so that none of it sticks to him.

howabout · 30/06/2016 16:48

I assume the press will bury this ASAP so thought would share from bbc news:
Chakrabarti inquiry

The Labour Party is not overrun by anti-Semitism or other forms of racism but there is an "occasionally toxic atmosphere", an inquiry has found. Shami Chakrabarti ...said there was "too much clear evidence... of ignorant attitudes". Ms Chakrabarti's inquiry has made 20 recommendations but she said she does not approve of lifetime bans for party membership.

Mr Corbyn said: "Under my leadership the Labour Party will not allow hateful language or debate in person, online, or anywhere else.
"We will aim to set the gold standard, not just for anti-racism, but for a genuinely welcoming environment for all communities and for the right to disagree as well".

MitzyLeFrouf · 30/06/2016 16:49

Ugh.

Because he showed SUCH concern for NI when campaigning for a Brexit.

RedToothBrush · 30/06/2016 16:49

Its funny, you don't see Osbourne that much full stop. Its not a new thing. Snake in the grass indeed.

(I must find the Clegg quote)

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DoinItFine · 30/06/2016 16:51
Shock

Oh god.

I've recovered from my enjoyment at Boris's embarrassment and now remember that Michael Gove is a dangerous, ruthless, extremist in establishment clothing.

The thought of him as PM is genuinely terrifying.

officerhinrika · 30/06/2016 16:54

Heseltine weighing in as a party grandee, rather an elegant attack on Johnson, ultimately calling him contemptible.

Dozer · 30/06/2016 16:56

perhaps johnson and gove, after the shock of winning the referendum, realised brexit is a shit plan and decided to stage this and for gove to lose in order that May (a remainer) can win and try to bremain.

The alternative is that gove is delusional and thinks he's electable!

nauticant · 30/06/2016 17:03

I realise there's tons of delicious stuff to be found indicating that Gove should not be let outside the house never mind becoming PM but remember the decisive vote is by the membership of the Tory Party and after the events of the past week their views may well have swung wildly to the ideological Right, ie towards Gove.

All these insane things we're reading will make many of them fall desperately and passionately in love with Gove. This could be good news for Lady MacBeth, it'll give her more time to catch up on all her box sets or more likely to concoct poisons to be used on the enemies of Gove.

DoinItFine · 30/06/2016 17:04

Isn't he electable?

RedToothBrush · 30/06/2016 17:04

Yes. Michael Gove's Book sounds delightful. Celsius 7/7.

Description:
Times columnist Michael Gove, is one of Britain's leading writers and thinkers on terrorism and foreign affairs. In his column which appeared in the Times on the morning of 9/11, he prophetically argued that the West's policy of appeasement towards terror was destined to provoke yet greater atrocities.

In Celsius 7/7, Gove explores the roots of Islamic rage, the historical factors which culminated in the current terrorist campaign and the Moslem world's troubled accommodation with modernity. He also analyses the intellectual roots and political appeal of Islamism, explains the factors behind Jihadi violence and places the current fundamentalist challenge in context.

Combining a broad historical sweep with character sketches of key figures such as Michel Aflaq, Charles de Gaulle, Sayyhid Qutb, Donald Rumsfeld, Abu Musab al_Zarqawi, Henry Kissinger and Osama bin Laden, as well as a detailed survey of Western political failures, Gove's account is a shrewd and detached analysis that provides powerfully convincing recommendations for future action

Strangely it gets mainly either 5 start reviews or 1 star reviews on Amazon. Which I find quite interesting itself....

Here are some of the bad reviews as I suspect they are perhaps more telling:
Unfortunately Michael Gove chose a subject on which he has little true knowledge. I spent 8 years resident in Muslim countries, divided between 2 of them - one of which is far and away the biggest of them all. I hold no torch for Islam, but all the Muslims that i know well have much to offer the Christians whom I also know well - and vice versa. (I am neither). His ideas about Islam are narrow, confused and give quite insufficient weight to ordinary nationalism or patriotism within these countries, countries which have all been seriously oppressed one way or another, especially by the UK and the Netherlands, and latterly the USA, the earliest oppression being within the living memory of many still alive, and the latest entirely up to date. When I questioned him about some of his statements in the book, at a book festival, he ducked them by leaving his response - one far from being answers -to the end.
To elaborate on what I say would take too long, but he is an outsider on the subject, articulating only current conventional perceptions.

This really is too bad to waste words on. Before reading this offal, perform a supraorbital lobotomy, pickle your frontal lobes, puree them unspiced, and then pour back in through your upper eyelids. Now you have entered the bizzare, racist, ranting, imbecility of Gove's mindset. And this man has something to do with UK policy ... it couldn't have happened without Murdoch.

The nastiest book I have read for many years. Full of poisonous prejudices, historical howlers and axe-grinding. Really astonishing and alarming that this man is in charge of UK school education

This text is complete and utter drivel but don't just take my word for it. Here is what William Dalrymple wrote in his Sunday Times review ...."Gove’s book is a confused epic of simplistic incomprehension, riddled with more factual errors and misconceptions than any other text I have come across in two decades of reviewing books on this subject."

The idea that this neanderthal could become Prime Minister is scary to say the least. As Secretary of State for Education he introduced a test for children using nonsense words. As a politician he knows a lot about nonsense. He knows less than nothing about education mind you. But you can't have everything. The backwoodsmen of the Tory Party love him because the teachers hate him. He is just playing to the gallery. They would have him as a leaders in a heartbeat.
Above review dated 2014

Utter tripe. Interesting to see claims that he has hardly visited a Muslim country or sought anyone of who is genuinely knowledgeable on the subject. Rather like he is proceeding with his 'project' on our education system, ignoring the voices of those with real expertise in his attempt to lead us bravely back to the 1950's. Gove is a very intelligent man. Unfortunately he thinks this means he does not need to listen to anyone else. He will wreck our education. He will do more harm to this country's children than a thousand terrorists.
Above review 2013

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Dozer · 30/06/2016 17:04

Enjoyed heseltine's quote laying into johnson! But sparing cameron.

I reckon George Osbourne just has more self insight than some of the others and knows he's not appealling to the electorate.