Have Boris and Jeremy been stabbed in the back? Please can we have some leaders?

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And another thread about antics of President Boris and Comrade Jeremy and all their friends.

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Can we laugh or cry yet?

Are you still sane?

Will this insanity ever end?

The thing is we (and they) have no idea what voters for the Labur party want.

When was our representative democracy suspended?

We know that Labour party voters at the last election mostly voted in MPs to represent them that are pro-Remain.

Currently those MPs cannot do their democratically mandated job because their leader supports Brexut and wants to bring it about ASAP.

I don't want to live with a party system where our public representatives are forced to support a leader who doesn't have their confidence and who isn't acting in their contituents' interests.

We know that these MPs reprsent millions of Brutish voters.

We know that Labour voters came out in favour of Remain.

We kniw that our democracy needs an opposition to function.

And one man's puritanical ego is denying all kinds of oeople democratic representation they are entitled to so the party faithful can get theur way.

Scary stuff.

Very authoritarian.

And Corbyn, can you imagine what they'd be saying if Corbyn was a woman?

can you imagine the headlines if Johnson and Gove were Labour? The DM would make sure they were forever unelectable

That's just Machiavellian politics. That's ok. Its how things are supposed to be done.

Women are just bitchy.

True Chalala

A Labour MP has called for Jeremy Corbyn to resign after she was accused of colluding with the right-wing press following the launch of an anti-Semitism report.

Ruth Smeeth claims she was "verbally attacked by a Momentum activist and Jeremy Corbyn supporter" at the event hosted by the author of the report, Liberty director Shami Chakrabarti.

Ms Smeeth says it "is beyond belief that someone could come to the launch of a report on anti-Semitism in the Labour Party and espouse such vile conspiracy theories about Jewish people, which were ironically highlighted as such in Ms Chakrabarti's report, while the leader of my own party stood by and did absolutely nothing".

"People like this have no place in our party or our movement and must be opposed," she says in a statement.

"Until today I had made no public comment about Jeremy’s ability to lead our party, but the fact that he failed to intervene is final proof for me that he is unfit to lead, and that a Labour Party under his stewardship cannot be a safe space for British Jews."

Ms Smeeth says she has written to Labour's general secretary and the chair of the Parliamentary Labour Party "to formally complain about this morning’s events".

Ruth Smeeth is Jewish. She's not my MP, but close by.

Another Labour resignation - Rob Marris (who?), Shadow Treasury.

A soothing chat with pater.

'I told you you should have never trusted that fecker'.

Tbh all this democratic stuff is annoying me.

In the situation we are ion now, the MPs do NOT represent the vote of the population as they were elected BEFORE any talk of the referendum was made. Therefore when they were elected, no one knew what their support would be.
Parties are just as divided on the subject as the population is. It isn't a case of Tories are OUT and Labour is IN or whatever.
In the case where the Leader of the Tories is Remain and the leader of Lsbour is Remain too (more likely?) these will be leading the country towards what they think is best, which will be 'against' what half of the population voted for (eg control over immigration etc...).

someone should have explained to Jeremy and Momentum that the meeting was intended to combat anti-semitism rather than reinforce it. Most would have realised this in advance, but given the utter refusal of both to see the obvious, it should probably have been mentioned.

Corbyn was stood behind a podium plastered in 'Standing Up, not Standing By' while it happened.

In the situation we are ion now, the MPs do NOT represent the vote of the population as they were elected BEFORE any talk of the referendum was made.

The referendum has not cancelled our democracy.

You could use that argument about any important issue that arises.

But if you are a democrat you don't.

Because deciding that people's votes of just over a year ago don't count is a pretty dangerous road to go down.

Those MPs still represent their constituents until their is another GE.

or a coup-

It's all so messy - is anybody actually running the country between now & Sept?
I haven't read the foreign press for a few days but we must be absolute laughing stocks.
I'm starting to think the Queen should intervene sack the lot of them dig out a blank sheet of paper and start from scratch.
Each community (size tbc) chooses a representative anonymously - no campaining allowed, no party divides and the one with the most votes wins. We send them all on a big team building exercise to a giant version the big brother house (while the commons are renovated) or something and when they're ready to implement an actual plan they are allowed to come out.

Heseltine speech about Johnson Ouch

the MPs do NOT represent the vote of the population as they were elected BEFORE any talk of the referendum was made. Therefore when they were elected, no one knew what their support would be

That's not true, the people who elected them chose to vote Labour when the Tories were pledging a referendum. The Labour party's platform was very clear that it was in favour of the EU.

Also, if democratic legitimacy fades away this quickly, then the same argument can be made about Corbyn's legitimacy. I certainly know plenty of people who voted for him and now want him to go.

All I know is 100% of Scotland, Labour's beating heart, want nothing to do with the revolting PLP. Perhaps if Douglas Alexander were still in charge they might have had more sense. Many of the Scottish Labour MPs actually had voting records very similar to JC and that did not save them from the toxicity of Blair.

I think you are all missing the Commission's sense of humour again. Go ahead and hold indyref2 while the oil price is on the floor and we sort out an amicable settlement with the rest of the UK and come back to us if you win.

Anyone else think Hilary and Theresa in charge might be even more scary than Donald and Boris?

I read the Beano too often as a child not to think putting Gove in charge would like the Bash Street Kids had played a blinder.

God save us from the Queen.

Excerpt of Heseltine on Johnson

is anybody actually running the country between now & Sept?

Nah, that'd be a bit like work. Anyway, everything shuts down soon and they all bugger off to Tuscany, usually, so no great loss

Besides, Belgium had no government for over a year, recently, and Italy are forever changing theirs. Spain still haven't entirely got one, I don't think.

Och but Heseltine still hasn't got over "what might have been" for him.

100% of Scotland, Labour's beating heart, want nothing to do with the revolting PLP.

Could we have the SNP take over Labour? It would solve the Corbyn-PLP dispute, and at least they seem to know what they're doing

That's not the Commission's sense of humour at all.

Having Scotland in a holding pattern inside the EU would affect the negotiations with the UK.

The thought of another GE scares me. (Not that you proposed it DoinItFine.) It seems that moderates are demoralised while extremists are emboldened and there could be a very sharp shift to the Right. I suspect that a Gove victory will see a snap GE while May has suggested a more sensible timeframe.

I actually think the markets are recovering because no-one is in charge. The best way to ensure political stability is to remove the politicians and leave everything in the capable hands of Sir Humphry.