Have Boris and Jeremy been stabbed in the back? Please can we have some leaders?

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And another thread about antics of President Boris and Comrade Jeremy and all their friends.

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Can we laugh or cry yet?

Are you still sane?

Will this insanity ever end?

After May's comment about 'showy politicians', Johnson has not declared yet as he's desperately ringing around to cancel the photo opportunity with the unicorns he had planned.

😂😂😂😂

And access to the single market for services is important in May's statement.

This is almost exactly the same equivocal wording used by Boris in his Telegraph Article.

Gove has the hardest line I have heard on this but even his position is more it doesn't really matter about the single market question as worst case is WTO and that environment would not be prohibitively punitive for our export industry.

I am sceptical about the importance of the "single market in financial services" as there are still wildly different regulatory frameworks across EU countries and professional barriers to entry. In the wake of the Global Financial Crisis the Global regulatory framework has become much more influential than the EU.

May is also more likely to agree to a reasonable compromise, as opposed to Gove who will gleefully destroy the entire UK economy just so he can stick it to the EU.

Ok I'm starting to slowly convince myself here

I like him. What's his view on the EU?

I would hazard a guess that the reason a woman has ended up doing well in the Tory party, is because she has worked hard, and not got involved in the school boy stuff and then has been well placed to capitalise on that fact, precisely because she isn't joining in with the dick waving contest the party culture seems to support.

Well, she supported Remain. I'm not sure she did much campaigning! She did the closest thing she could to staying out entirely.

I have the feeling May would be more acceptable to the wider Tory party membership that Gove.

I would hazard a guess that the reason a woman has ended up doing well in the Tory party, is because she has worked hard, and not got involved in the school boy stuff and then has been well placed to capitalise on that fact, precisely because she isn't joining in with the dick waving contest the party culture seems to support.

But to have 2 women PMs (ahead of myself here) ? Where were Labour, the party of Equal Opportunities ?

Osborne likes Gove and loathed Boris - his hand is suspected according to guardian live blog.

I have been following these threads for days and just wanted to say thank you so much for this wealth of knowledge and informed opinion you are sharing.

I have ignored my kids since Friday, I should be cleaning the bathroom but am impatiently waiting for Boris (which auto corrected to virus....) now.

May I be nosy and ask if any of you are actually involved in politics or government in some way? Or just incredibly well informed people that put the rest of us to shame?

May kept out of campaigning but support remain from afar

She played the long game

Where were Labour, the party of Equal Opportunities?

They seem to prefer to listen to men talk about women, and how very much they need to be helped, or so it looks to me.

She kept her Brexit powder pretty dry.

Mater I think I need to find out. He was always very right wing and was "straight" when I knew him.

I have ignored my kids since Friday, I should be cleaning the bathroom but am impatiently waiting for Boris (which auto corrected to virus....) now.

Boris = Virus that's quite a polite way to describe him.

Cloudy - I'm just opinionated, and I like to read and watch the news. I also have a part-time hobby of making my local council occasionally do things they are supposed to do, but would prefer not to bother with.

Hamish that fits well.

Clegg is on record as saying that he thought Osborne was a snake and that hadn't been seen publically.

Funny, huh, that following the Winter of Discontent we got a woman PM to sort out the mess the country was in, and now its looking like in the wake of Brexit, the best looking candidate is another woman to clear up the mess.

Dominic Raab has switched to supporting Gove. On the day The Sun publish an article he wrote in support of Johnson.

So opinions on this please? How many of these leadership candidates are actual candidates and how many are either profiling raising only (Crabb) and attempting to undermine someone else's votes by splitting the vote?

All of Johnson's Tory party supporters seem to be deserting sharpish to the to the Good Ship Gove. Johnson's list of People That Have Wronged Me is growing by the minute!

I've read before that it is much harder for women to progress in labour due to the union influence - it is still more of a macho working men's club.

Less than 10 years ago some if the unions were opposing equal pay claims because it would mean that men might be paid less when they had families to support eg the Birmingham dinner lady claim.

Cleaning up the messes men make is a woman's job?

'Dominic Raab has switched to supporting Gove. On the day The Sun publish an article he wrote in support of Johnson.'

Ugh. How can these people expect the public to believe that they ever utter a single sincere word?

Cloudy I am a bored housewife but I have already cleaned my bathroom this morning and am discussing the merits of reverse Greenland with my 4 year old while getting her to dust our Globe.

I did have a previous life in international finance and used to sort laundry while listening to Stephanie Flanders quiz Mervyn King. Mark Carney tends to make me throw sock balls at the telly.

People keep telling me to get a job to keep my brain active. I prefer MN

I've just noticed that the trouser suit May is wearing today in in Black Watch tartan. Is that a subliminal way of signalling her love of Scotland?

Doin, it really shouldn't be and the men shouldn't make the mess in the first place, but I'd rather this did get cleaned up properly rather than have Gove staring at it and waiting for if to walk itself to the bin.

Or hire a cleaner - Obama