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Brexit

Democracy 'Intelligent' people vs 'stupid' people

264 replies

TinnTinn · 29/06/2016 08:13

Some people are too stupid to be allowed to vote. I've been hearing a lot of this since the referendum.

Should this come into democracy? Or is it possible that different socio economic, political and regional groups within a country have very different experiences, wants, needs, hopes and aspirations. Chances are these will differ from other groups of people. Does this somehow invalidate their views?

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whiteDragon · 29/06/2016 14:18

To be fair a lot of those would probably chidlren and teenagers

Yes - my primary ages UK born and base children were asking questions - some pre -referendum more post and one of the ways they could find answers was to google explanations.

I mean obviously we gave them our explanations and I think they got some at school but we've had the news on slightly more and obviously they hear and it prompts questions. They also held debates in the days after the result - no idea why not before - so were probably googling at school - the school has encouraged research on the computer for many topics on their computers.

CoteDAzur · 29/06/2016 14:20

"To be fair a lot of those would probably chidlren and teenagers from all over the world who have see it trending in news feeds and on twitter. But don't let actual logic stop you from thinking it's the exit voters"

"Actual logic", no less. FFS, I just hope for your sake that you are very young.

Google searches from within the UK don't include those from all over the world. That is because UK is a place in the world. The world is not a place in the UK.

Jasonandyawegunorts · 29/06/2016 14:22

I just hope for your sake that you are very young.

How do those in the UK reproduce if the island has no children?

Jasonandyawegunorts · 29/06/2016 14:24

Google searches from within the UK don't include those from all over the world.

On a slightly basic note, forgive me if i'm too advanced, How many people do you think alter their IP addresses to appear to be in the UK, for things like Netflix and iplayer?

There is no 100% acurate way to know those searches are from the UK.

user1467101855 · 29/06/2016 14:25

"Reverse Greenland" would probably prompt most experts in EU constitutional law to do a google search - I am sure there are many more such post-Brexit interesting details to ponder

I'm sure there are, but "what is the EU" is not one of those interesting, difficult details!

You can pretend it was all apple cheeked interested school children if it makes you feel better about it. Not actually likely though.

Jasonandyawegunorts · 29/06/2016 14:26

Not actually likely though.

Prove it.

Why isn't it likely?

user1467101855 · 29/06/2016 14:27

How many people do you think alter their IP addresses to appear to be in the UK, for things like Netflix and iplayer? There is no 100% acurate way to know those searches are from the UK.

The majority don't however, and those that do often don't keep it running other than when necessary as it can slow down your speeds.
IT's not actually difficult at all to get a pretty accurate idea of who is where and what they are searching for.

user1467101855 · 29/06/2016 14:28

Prove it.Why isn't it likely?

Don't need to prove it. Use your loaf, it's called basic logic.

user1467101855 · 29/06/2016 14:28

Prove it.Why isn't it likely?

Don't need to prove it. Use your loaf, it's called basic logic.

Jasonandyawegunorts · 29/06/2016 14:28

IT's not actually difficult at all to get a pretty accurate idea of who is where and what they are searching for.

The age of the person searching however.....

Jasonandyawegunorts · 29/06/2016 14:28

on't need to prove it. Use your loaf, it's called basic logic.

But assuming everyone who search voted Exit isn't logic is it?

Jasonandyawegunorts · 29/06/2016 14:29

Where does your logic that it was exit voters come from?

user1467101855 · 29/06/2016 14:30

The age of the person searching however.....

Again, logic. And times of searches, and semantic analysis of search terms etc, there are so many ways.
Google knows a lot about everyone.

Jasperkiss5 · 29/06/2016 14:30

This is only in relation to those 'stupid people' who voted leave, right? Because the only accusations of stupidity I am hearing left, right and centre, are aimed at the ones who stood up and voted leave.

I've heard a lot of 'people who shop at Iceland are the ones who voted leave'. Alongside 'the people who voted leave are pig shit thick, racist scum' etc. People are being really unpleasant and although some of it may be said as a joke, it's obviously statements coming from the remain camp. No one else. I think that actually opens up a new issue that people who are snobs with their heads up their arse would also be questioned regarding democracy. How can we rely on their vote?

I shop at Iceland, my other half is African Caribbean. I also went to uni, got a degree and wouldn't consider myself thick. Oh and I voted leave.

The whole thing is getting out of hand. Media fabricates all of the potentials and is brain washing the lot of you. Let's get over the vote and move forward.

user1467101855 · 29/06/2016 14:31

Where does your logic that it was exit voters come from?

If you look carefully I never suggested it was. I said people who can't answer simple questions on the topic shouldn't be allowed to vote. No matter what way they would have voted.

Jasonandyawegunorts · 29/06/2016 14:31

Again, logic. And times of searches, and semantic analysis of search terms etc, there are so many ways.

Again where does your idea it was exit voters come from?
None of this information is public

user1467101855 · 29/06/2016 14:32

Please pay attention, if you are going to latch on to one posters posts, do read them! I never said it was exit voters.

whiteDragon · 29/06/2016 14:33

I think it a good sound bite - look how thick so many Brits are they googled all these terms around the EU after their referendum .

I'm not sure you can prove it mean that leavers didn't know what they were voting for.

Don't get me wrong many of the posts on here - like Norway leaving EU when they don't belong are indicators of possibly that - and the anger from Sun and other tabloid show the papers have got round to printing the downsides and number of people in media now saying they were lied to or want to change their vote - all leads that way but the google searches don't prove that as there obvious other reasons for the searches.

I also don't think it's ever a good thing to sneer at people seeking knowledge and trying to understand things especially as it likely and certainly possible a large proportion are probably too young to vote. However that doesn't make a good sound bite does it.

Jasonandyawegunorts · 29/06/2016 14:35

Please pay attention, if you are going to latch on to one posters posts, do read them! I never said it was exit voters.

You said logic dictated it was voters.

But you've yet to provide this logic?

Jasonandyawegunorts · 29/06/2016 14:36

It's a simple question, how do you know, for a fact it wasn't children under 18?

user1467101855 · 29/06/2016 14:36

Yes, a percentage of them would have been voters. And some will be non-voters who decided to take an interest after the fact.

If you don't have your own basic logic, I'm afraid I can't provide you with any!

user1467101855 · 29/06/2016 14:37

It's a simple question, how do you know, for a fact it wasn't children under 18

Good lord woman, think for yourself! Isn't it blindingly obvious?

Jasonandyawegunorts · 29/06/2016 14:38

CoteDAzur

It's about this time you try and give a smart arse patronising answer.. but fail. how did you know it was exit voters?

Jasonandyawegunorts · 29/06/2016 14:38

Good lord woman, think for yourself! Isn't it blindingly obvious?

No it isn't

Why do you think it is?

user1467101855 · 29/06/2016 14:39

I give up. My mama always told me not to argue with stupid, she was right. Too painful!

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