Are there are some very sore losers after the EU Ref result?

[brodchengretchen]

Should we now challenge parliamentary elections too if we don't like the result on the basis that some people are too lower class/poor/stupid to make a proper first time vote?

Or could that be a tad arrogant and patronising to the the section of the electorate that cast their vote and won, 'ignorant numpties' or not?

I thought the reason for the referendum was to decide who was public school Head Boy: Johnson or Cameron. Johnson won the booby prize and Cameron left with his tail between his legs.

Sorry no I'm not just going to take what is happening to my country. I'm devastated and have a right to be. A general election happens every four years. A referendum happens once or twice in a lifetime.

This sore loser thing is absurdly reductive and childish. It's not a game of bloody cards

We have all lost, to be quite honest. If the consequences weren't so serious, I'd be laughing, because right now we're smack bang in the middle of a very bleak farce .

And it wouldn't have hurt the Remain campaign to have recognised the social issues a long time before there was a referendum in this country.

I think that's particularly unfair comment.
It assumes that the Leave campaign, somehow have...

It's not true to say there are no winners though.

Shares in cigarette companies have rocketed in the last couple of days.
I wish this is a joke, but it isn't.

I'm willing to be pointed in the direction of all the "winners".
Where are they?
and what's their prize?

Oh apart from BigTobacco

Not sure who are the sore losers here.
If I had been able, I would have voted remain (but I am not British/commonwealth, so couldn't). Still, I would like the UK leaders to make the exit as fast as possible so the other countries can start making their own decisions instead of waiting in suspended animation.
I am FED UP with the 'democratic' discourse. No democracy I know of, has no written Constitution and safeguards against stupid decisions by a simple majority. This is not how democratic countries work. Democratic countries don't have referendums about a part becoming independent by a simple majority as they did here with Scotland. The same way they don't have a vote on whether or not we should pay taxes.

For these massive changes to happen you need a huge majority and (normally too) a dissolution of the parliament to ensure this is not the wimp of a crazy leader to be followed by a populist collective mistake won by a tight margin.

The UK seems to have learnt nothing about the flaws of its democratic system through this process. This is a caricature of a mature democracy so please stop going on and on with the 'democratic' thing.

Lets be honest, it wasn't a massive victory, its very difficult for any government to make decisions on it because of this, there is no overwhelming mandate.

This is especially compounded by the fact that so many of the votes for leave were cast in protest at issues that have nothing to do with the EU, and so many other votes were cast because of promises that have now been backtracked on or have been exposed as bare faced lies (which they were told before hand but stickingg your fingers in your ears and going project fear was the response.)

The fact is that the majority of our elected representatives didn't want to take this course of action, they could still vote to remain.

The "shut up you lost" attitude is very amusing coming from people who "valued democracy" so much last week.

Oh and in the end, the real losers in all of this will be the working class voters in deprived areas who voted out and those in rural areas. The middle classes who voted to stay in, living in large metropolitan cities will be fine as always, they vote more than once in a decade so they will have their opinions canvassed and needs met already.

Leavers won't get what they want, immigration will continue at a similar level ( most optimistically net migration will fall by 100,000 but a lot of that will be less Brits moving abroad), we'll still have to follow EU regulation if we want to export there, rights for workers will be lowered as these are the "costs" that are easiest to get rid of.

Enjoy your post brexit utopia.

Prince . Will it be Big Pharma with the increase in sales of anti depressants next? No I'm not being flippant.

dawn that is awful.

I'm willing to be pointed in the direction of all the winners

Someone somewhere will have made money out of this. Massive swings in the pound, FTSE going down and recovering.

That kind of volatility means someone somewhere has made a lot of money. Others will have lost money.

There is money to be made somewhere on the markets for the right investor.

Red - and RBS in which the taxpayer 'owns' many shares.

soren
Yes, some hedge funds will have made big money betting against the pound and stock market. They had been commissioning most of the polls in the run up to the vote in order to research their position.

And as I said upthread, shares in tobacco are going through the roof - British American Tobacco's stock price reached an all-time high today.

In the short term, exporters will benefit from the currency fall so they can add themselves to the winner list for the time being but I suspect not many people relying on international markets will feel like winners at the moment.

Dawn that's shocking. What an ignorant and nasty women.

BertrandRussell puts into eloquent words what I can only spout in expletives.

Are remainers sore losers. No, unless you are very, very wealthy we are all sore losers.

Unless this doesn't happen and Bojo snakes out of it, knowing what an utter balls up he's presided over.

Hey ho. I'll go back to my sulky sore loser corner and lament over well reasoned and coherent stay arguments with the underwhelming 48% minority.

dawn yes i agree whats being said to you is digusting. of course their are racist people about as we all know.. but i dont think people should be called racist for voting out. yes they should be called racist for the sort of crap you are getting.

hope it was just a one of prat. and that it does not continue for you.

I live in an area that voted 78% to remain - a very tolerant, multi-racial, inclusive environment. My friend has just seen a man screaming at another man in the street to get back to Morocco. If that's happening even here, I dread to think how bad it is elsewhere.

Something poisonous and ugly has been legitimised and the costs for all of us are going to be very high.

Dawn I am so sorry. I didn't see your comment upthread - what a vile woman.

I remember once being a 'sore loser' when I lost a particularly ferocious battle of Monopoly one Christmas.

I'm not being a 'sore loser' because I'm aghast and horrified at the bleak Tory abyss that the UK is being dragged into. Yes OP you 'won' but does that not mean those who voted Remain need to pipe down like obedient little children. It just doesn't work like that.

Oh and you'll being feeling sore too OP when the full impact of what you've done finally dawns.

I am so so sick of people demanding no one be unhappy about something, that's what is making me furious - not the result itself.

It is perfectly OK to be annoyed, sign a petition, express your opposing views on something. It makes the leave brigade look like small minded to continually keep preaching at people about what is expected of them. I don't want to be told what to do, think or feel. THAT is why I get upset about it. Despite expressing this view 'stop telling me to get over it,that's rude and bossy' I am then accused of being a 'sore loser'. How about 'smug, bossy winners?'

Since we are all entitled to an opinion and allowed to express it, it was ok for leave to campaign extensively to leave, and win but not remain to dislike the vote?!! Such hypocrites

I have even fallen out with my family about this. I can't believe the levels of intolerance and small minded views. And that I am just a sore loser who can't see the bigger picture. As if I have no feelings and they don't matter. Being worried about something is me being pathetic.

Morning all,

After a great deal of requests we have concluded that the best thing to do to keep everyone as happy as possible right now is to move the bulk of the referendum threads over to our EU referendum topic , so we'll be shuffling this one over shortly.

We sincerely understand the desire to discuss this subject at length and in detail but this seems to be the best way to keep AIBU and Chat moving for those who don't wish to participate. Of course the conversations will still appear in Active.

Many thanks.

Oh and in the end, the real losers in all of this will be the working class voters in deprived areas who voted out and those in rural areas

Yes. The people of Sunderland and Wales in particular need a good wallop round the noggin with some facts.

The north, particularly the NE, Wales, Cornwall, rely on EU funding to survive. If they believe that Westminister are suddenly going to sit up and pay attention to what's going on outisde of London, they're in for a shock.

Immigration hasn't touched the NE. We have school places, we have DRs appointments, we have housing. We have all this because we don't have jobs or anywhere near enough investment.

We didn't need to leave the EU to release the pressure on the NHS and education. We needed investment in poorer areas, creation of new, secure employment, better training opportunities.

The chances that Westminister will do this, imo, are non existant. The North is going to be left to rot now.

Almost everyone I spoke to voted on immigration, yet none of them could me how, exactly, immigration had effected them personally.

WINNERS LIST

BigTobasso
BigParma
A few people who know how to make money out of fluctuating currency rates etc (who will probably all be based in Europe this time next year)

any other "winners" for the list? Come on, if there are so many "sore losers" there must be lots of happy winners and prizes?

People who feel they've been given the nod to vent their racism? They seem to be big winners.