Are there are some very sore losers after the EU Ref result?

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Should we now challenge parliamentary elections too if we don't like the result on the basis that some people are too lower class/poor/stupid to make a proper first time vote?

Or could that be a tad arrogant and patronising to the the section of the electorate that cast their vote and won, 'ignorant numpties' or not?

"Calling anyone at all who has ever expressed the slightest concern about levels of immigration a "racist, xenophobe" has basically had the effect of shutting down a conversation we clearly needed "

Yeah, well, that would be a stupid thing to do. The problem is that it's quite hard to find people with concerns about immigration who don't express those concerns in racist terms. It's fantastic when you do find people like that, though.

If that's true, what was the point of having a referendum?
Personally I think it's because Farage and Cameron were playing my Public School is better than yours.

So far this weekend I have been asked when am I putting dd back on a plane. We are olive toned as my Grandmother is Spanish. Although, as stated before, she's actually from Gibraltar. My mother was born before the war in Bournmouth. I was born in London and dd in Hertfordshire, but hey ho. I've been asked when I'm going home, and I was told by one neighbour that she didn't have to talk to me now because she only talked to foreigners to be polite and now that she's won the vote she needn't bother.

MPs are having to talk about trying to keep the fucking UK together let alone dealing with Europe. The 'you lost, deal with it' bullshit makes you look like an idiot.

Have you read the news? Do you even give a shit about people who are now being abused because YOUR vote validated racists.

The construction industry has contracted by 40%. The leavers dream of a housing crash won't end up with cheaper houses. Just negative equity and no houses being built and job losses.

Urgh, these sorts of stupid threads make me feel sick.

Wdigin, you keep making "inspirational" comments about how we must all be positive about this without once answering posts asking you precisely what we have to be positive about. Is there any chance of you addressing that point?

Unless you fear more autonomy means a descent into anarchy?

No I just fear our economy is screwed.

However, I and I'm sure many other remain voters actually really really hope we are wrong and would rather be wrong than be able to say "i told you so" to the brexiters in 10 years time, because that option is crap for everyone.

Judy whilst I'm not claiming to be any kind of expert, I'm still looking at ,(reading, listening and trying to understand....I'm not an uneducated ranter) the bigger picture! On Friday morning, everyone with any sense knew the £ would plummet against the $ and the €, but it is already recovering. There were scaremongering claims like the big banks (Morgan Stanley) would take 2000 jobs to Dublin, this has been vehemently denied by MS! President Obama said in his speech that the UK would not be at the back of the queue as far as the U.S. is concerned! Yes, the UK ship needs a good captain, and I'm listening, reading and trying my best to understand ( which is not easy, and I've worked in the Civil Service all my life) the pros and cons, of everything that is important to us going forward!

think theses sort of threads get a bit nasty/personal. why are people being called racist? everyone was able to vote

The only thing I really know about economic markets is they like certainty. You can't make decisions without certainty.

I don't think it's too much to ask what the Leave campaigns plans are now. The sooner we get certainty, the better. At least we can move on and make the best of this situation.

It feels like limbo at the moment - and when we've just come out of a recession but still have austerity, limbo is not a good feeling.

To those posters who don't like the thread title, it was not intended to be derogatory, but I can see that it has offended. A pp who doubted my level of conviction, I do know that I think, so you're alright, my wanting to know other's views stems from a feeling all along in this debate that face-to-face people have been wary of giving their views without the benefit of anonymity, which we have here. A form of democracy in itself, maybe.

My family origin is from a region where democracy does not prevail and education is a luxury for the elite. That strongly influences my views.

HTH some of you.

Some banks have stopped trading today because there's been huge drops. And it's only as 'stable' as it is because the BoE are happy to donate £250 billion of quantitive easing. So leavers have actually voted to bail out the banks they were trying to 'stick one' to.

I thought the point of a Referendum was to invoke a Parliamentary discussion on the feelings of the people.

I also thought we had a Parliamentary Democracy.

So the decision to leave the EU still needs to be agreed by parliament following this or it doesn't follow our legal framework of democracy.

Personally...I had some emergency savings in the UK that I need to withdraw to pay an ever growing legal bill. Now it will cost me £800 more to pay it today than Friday.

So my trip home to see family this summer, and for the year is effectively cancelled. I simply can't afford to do both.

It's a direct effect. And I'd have spent that money on services in the UK.

Selfish reasons to highlight, but why not? Everyone else's were....

However, I and I'm sure many other remain voters actually really really hope we are wrong and would rather be wrong than be able to say "i told you so" to the brexiters in 10 years time, because that option is crap for everyone.

This.

Whenever people start talking about 'winners' and 'sore losers' in regards to such a serious matter I find it very telling...

"FFS, it is what it is....democratically decided by this nation, bloody get on with it, and get some positive thinking started!"

Thing is though, it wasn't democratically decided. At most it was democratically suggested. As has already been pointed out, a referendum is not legally binding, and I think a lot of the frustration, anger and fear which is attracting these absurd, reductive 'sore loser' comments stems from the fact that no-one really seems to have thought this far ahead.

It's all very well holding a referendum on an issue which could dramatically and very negatively affect the long-term prospects of this country, as long as both sides have an ACTUAL PLAN for how to navigate an unweildy ship if the more destabilising side of the referendum 'wins'. But the Brexit side doesn't have a plan. There isn't even any leadership. No-one has a fucking clue what to do next, and people are coming out in their droves admitting they didn't really know what they were voting for.

That's why we're fucking angry. It's not about being a 'sore loser'. Grow up.

I'm not sore about losing. It wasn't a game. It's the future of our country.

As a working poor, single parent, I have no fucking clue how I will survive another recession. I'm not sore, I am terrified.

Don't get me wrong, I don't thnk it's armageddon, I do believe that in the end it will work out. But how much damage will be done by then? What opportunities will my children have left? Where will I be living when more cuts come in and I can't afford my rent? What's gonna happen to my already dying town? How will I ever find a new job when companies en masse are threatening to leave the UK?

Yep. I have never in my life wished so hard to be wrong.........

Barclays shares have been temporarily suspended.

What needs to happen now is for the Govt to address the real issues for why this vote went the way it did. They need to look at the scarcity of affordable housing, they need to look at secure tenancies for those who need them...many people struggle with private renting, they need to start investing in poorer areas so that people feel hope in a future for themselves and their families.

Make no mistake that the elite of public schoolboys have caused this problem and they now need to deliver a solution so that people feel part of society again...a proper part of society.

I know lots of people who voted Leave...only one did so on the grounds of immigration and his reasoning was that our current infrastructure just doesn't support it. He went on about longer and longer queues for the NHS etc if we stayed in the EU. I've yet to speak to him about the result but from what I have seen his vote has been wasted as the Brexit result is not going to deliver what he thought it would. We now need to look at investing in public services and ensuring those queues don't grow and we do that by making public services attractive jobs to have. We do that by ensuring there is enough affordable housing and enough schools offering the right education for children across the country no matter what their needs.

think theses sort of threads get a bit nasty/personal. why are people being called racist? everyone was able to vote
Read my earlier post.

I think it's a shame that 16 & 17 year olds didn't get the opportunity to vote... It's going to affect them far more than its going to affect an 80 year old dreaming of bygone days.

I don't feel like a 'sore loser'... I feel terrified at the prospect of my DH's company moving out of the U.K. Of house prices crashing and ending up in negative equity, of the 5million plus projected ex pats who could potentially return and be a drain on our already overstretched services (in stark comparison to the relatively small amount of 'immigrants'!) I feel sad for my DD's polish school friend who's mother looked close to tears in the playground on Friday.

That's not being a sore loser. It's just reacting to the monumental mistake 17 million people have made for us.

What needs to happen now is for the Govt to address the real issues for why this vote went the way it did. They need to look at the scarcity of affordable housing, they need to look at secure tenancies for those who need them...many people struggle with private renting, they need to start investing in poorer areas so that people feel hope in a future for themselves and their families

This. There are a lot of social issues in this country and the Conservatives have ignored them. Not all the issues are related to Europe and leaving the EU is not the panacea to these issues.

I hope that whoever forms the next Government recognises why people voted Leave. Some voted to 'take back control' but I bet others voted to improve their lives.

And it wouldn't have hurt the Remain campaign to have recognised the social issues a long time before there was a referendum in this country.

"Start investing in poorer areas....."

What, maybe with money from the EC? Like Cornwall? Thwt's a good idea ....oh, wait.

Leave are being such magnanimous winners aren't they

Why, if as they keep trumpeting, they're the majority, are they also "afraid" of telling everyone they meet in case they get "pitchforked"? Why are they constantly demanding that the other side STFU and quietly accept? Why, in this their hour of glory, are they mainly wailing about their ickle hurt feelings? Is it because they realise they haven't really won, their all-important majority is actually kind of tiny? And that what they've "won" is a wooden spoon? I keep asking and mysteriously there seem to be no answers forthcoming.

As for Remainers going through the stages of grief, it seems to be that the Leave side are also doing so

1. Denial - nothing is going wrong with the currency or markets, nobody has lost their jobs (it's all made up), there is no ride in racist attacks (it's all made up), etc
2. Anger - it's all the fault of Remain or Cameron or the EU for not warning properly, or not carrying out your will, they made you do it and anyway you don't have to answer these difficult questions...
3. Bargaining - Let's all get together and think positive thoughts and that will make everything awesome
4. Depression - I'm so sad because not enough people are congratulating me on my brilliant contribution to New Britain
5. Acceptance - ok, maybe we haven't reached this stage yet