Are there are some very sore losers after the EU Ref result?

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Should we now challenge parliamentary elections too if we don't like the result on the basis that some people are too lower class/poor/stupid to make a proper first time vote?

Or could that be a tad arrogant and patronising to the the section of the electorate that cast their vote and won, 'ignorant numpties' or not?

BR, I mean if you accept the idea of a second referendum or dismissing last week's result, would you count that as democratic? Or more importantly would the Remain campaign consider it so? To me that means that last week's vote would have been a pointless exercise if you subscribe to that view.

What BertrandRussell said. We aren't sore losers, this wasn't a football match where our team gets beaten and we blame the ref for not giving us a penatly. This is real life and really fucking serious.

We arent pissed off cos we lost, we are pissed off because enough numptys voted leave without thinking about what they were doing and now we are worried about our future/our kids furure/whether we'll even have a job this time next month.

No-one has a clue whats going to happen, not even those who campaigned for leave, and now as we see many of them are regreting it. Whoops!

And one thing worse than a sore loser is an ungracious winner. The irony is that all the leavers have won is the booby prize.

Did everyone learn nothing from the Scottish referendum?

'So will we still use the £?'
'errrr, I think so. Yes, well, Westminster says no, but yes, probably. Mary'.

How can we make sure next time that voters really do know what they are voting for

I suppose we could start by making it an offence to lie through your fucking teeth about every fucking thing in order to get the result you want.

Well not, obviously the idea of a second referendum is ridiculous.

But as a referendum is advisory, not legally binding, it is possible for our democratically elected representatives to choose not to adhere to it. That's how it works.

This is real life and really fucking serious

Indeed. This is a very serious thing that has just happened. I wish the politicians and the media would take it seriously.

Still, the football's on tonight and it will be Wimbledon soon so that's a nice distraction.

Yes, and whilst we're about it, shall we have another referendum in which....nobody over 55 votes, we don't have long to live anyway, nobody without an O level, because they're too thick, nobody under 25 they don't have enough life experience, nobody on benefits, apparently they don't deserve a vote, nobody between 25 and 55, because they might just up and leave the country....and let's go the whole hog, no women, because men never wanted them to have the vote anyway!!!!
FFS, it is what it is....democratically decided by this nation, bloody get on with it, and get some positive thinking started!

This isn't a game with winners and losers, you know, OP, this is the future of the country, and it is people's livelihoods. It's also people, including small children, being vilified and told to leave their homes because suddenly a few blockheads think they are validated in telling them they're not welcome. Is that something you're celebrating, OP?

Much as it may make you feel uncomfortable having to think about things like that, it's not something any of us are going to be able to ignore.

As for the word democratic.

Where is the debate about what we want instead of being an EU member?This is something that should have been put out to public consultation and then put to parliament in an orderly fashion.

The referendum was not this. It was lots of people 'empowered' to believe what they liked about what they though Leaving would me, without any consensus built whatsoever.

Instead we have a situation, where economic suicide means there is no time for that debate. We will have a deal imposed on us by whoever becomes the next Conservative leader, because the alternative will be more pain. Everyone has an economic disaster gun to their head. This is the actions of little more than a dictatorship and is certainly not normal democratic process that you would expect in the UK.

The irony is this also includes the next leader now by the look of it, as such any deal will be likely to be less favourable to us, and more favourable to the EU, as we will have to take just about anything we can.

"FFS, it is what it is....democratically decided by this nation, bloody get on with it, and get some positive thinking started!"

OK. Tell me how I am going to think positively about something which I think will have catastrophic consequences for years to come? A few pointers would be great.

Wdigin, OK: tell us what we should be thinking positively about? Given that no one in the Leave camp has even been able to come up with a plan, I'm struggling to find anything.

The irony is that all the leavers have won is the booby prize. I can accept that this may turn out to be the case, but not necessarily for the reasons you set out, because as you say, no-one knows what is going to happen, except to say that we have a prospect of more autonomy which we seem to have lost when the EEC morphed into the EU.

Unless you fear more autonomy means a descent into anarchy?

Parliamentary elections are binding, the referendum isn't.

True but parliament would have to be insane to ignore it. They don't want to deal with the social unrest ignoring the vote would cause.

Dontsweat nobody had a clue about where this country was going anyway....let's take this as an opportunity to make it independent, strong and forward thinking again!

If that's true, what was the point of having a referendum?

Are you not able to read and discover ANYTHING for yourself?

As you need to be spoon-fed, in the nutshell the whole point of the referendum was so Cameron could stay PM. Much has been written about this. If you don't believe the source I've quoted and linked to below, have a qucik google.

"In 2013, besieged by the increasingly assertive anti-European Union wing of his own Conservative Party, Mr. Cameron made a promise intended to keep a short-term peace among the Tories before the 2015 general election: If re-elected, he would hold an in-or-out referendum on continued British membership in the bloc.

But what seemed then like a relatively low-risk ploy to deal with a short-term political problem has metastasized into an issue that could badly damage Britain’s economy, influence the country’s direction for generations — and determine Mr. Cameron’s political fate."

www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/world/europe/david-cameron-brexit-european-union.html?_r=0

"17 million people wanted out and and they spoke. That matters. How dare you minimise and sideline that just because you, personally, didn't want it? And to patronise everyone by saying, "It's not a game of tiddlywinks"?"

Tell you what. How about you stop the "sore loser""whining""dummy out of the pram" rhetoric? Because that makes you sound as if you think it is some sort of game that you won hurrah for you.

And no, I am not minimizing and sidelining anything. I accept the result. It's the way leavers think I should like it that really pisses me off.

What bertrand said on page one. "I win, you lose, ner ner ner ner NER ner" .

Some people are behaving like fucking pre-schoolers.

There has been a sharp rise in racist attacks as a direct result of the Brexit result not to mention the economic problems. It's a serious issue and I don't think you're a "winner" for voting out.

And btw starting a "sore loser" thread isn't doing you any favours if you wanted to display your knowledge of the subject and dispell the (IMHO slightly unfair) assumption by some Bremainers that all out voters didn't have a clue what they were really doing. I'm sure that's not the case, so maybe stop doing things which will only confirm the ignorance of Brexiteers in the minds of some Bremainers.

democratically decided by this nation, bloody get on with it, and get some positive thinking started

That's why people want leadership and a plan. Do you know what the plan now is?

And I think...yes, still looking in a certain direction....that certain posters should consider that they may have had a role in Thursday's result.

Calling anyone at all who has ever expressed the slightest concern about levels of immigration a "racist, xenophobe" has basically had the effect of shutting down a conversation we clearly needed to have.

But maybe I should be kinder to someone who is now asking others how they should think.

Bertrand you think there will be catastrophic results...you don't know that, and that's the point I'm trying to make! We must look at this as an opportunity, to broker the best exit deal possible with the EU, and forge better trade partnerships with other nations....we have to be positive, there is no other option!

The thing is that a referendum was always a bloody stupid idea. You can't even say that the government had a mandate for that, given that more people voted against the Conservatives at the General Election than voted for them. The issue is far too complex for a referendum. So we're in a situation where a referendum was imposed on us and we had no choice but to take part in it in order to try to avert the disaster that would follow if it resulted in a Leave vote.

So it really is very questionable indeed whether this is really democracy in action. We have a Parliamentary democracy, not a democracy where everything is decided by referenda, and there's a very good reason for that. That is no doubt the reason that a referendum result is only advisory, and we have to respect that fact, inconvenient as it may be to people who would like to think otherwise.

aprcot

We voted out. What happens now? What's the plan? Who's in charge? Do we need a general election?

What do you want to see happen? If what happens is what you were told would happen, will you be upset?

Our country has no leadership at the moment. Boris Johnson seems to think there's no rush. The EU think differently.

I am used to people who want something to happen to start making things happen when they win that mandate.