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To urge you to write to your MP today if you wish to remain

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SybilEngineer · 27/06/2016 08:18

The margin by which Leave won is too small to base such a huge decision on. This needs to be debated further especially now it's clear many people based their decision on misrepresentations made by Brexit campaigners on immigration and spending on NHS or made a protest vote.

Johnson is continuing with the myths claiming Britain will still be in Europe. Of course we will be geographically but that's all!

The referendum was advisory and not legally binding. If you want to stay in the EU please email your MP today.

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KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 28/06/2016 22:05

So, order out all the people who (like me) query this result, its legitimacy in a parliamentary democracy, and believe leaving the EU to be contrary to the national interest.
The result of the referendum was marginal. How is this uk's prosperity to be assured if the half of the population who wanted to remain follows your intelligent, considered and measured advice?

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 28/06/2016 22:07

Oh and if the best you have is "get out" - God help you. We may just do as you suggest. The future of the U.K. Is not built on such as you.

hotmail123 · 28/06/2016 22:11

Channel 4 News : Facebook page
1 hr ·
"These people have been singing 'EU, we love you.'"
A pro-EU demonstration interrupts a Channel 4 News live broadcast in the heart of Westminster.

hotmail123 · 28/06/2016 22:13

Brexit: The Legal Minefield
Radio 4 : Law in Action: i player

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07kdsdl

AuntDotsie · 28/06/2016 22:19

I don't think anyone watching Alyn Smith and Nigel Farage speak in the European Parliament today could see anything but future rift between these two countries.

It was a stark contrast, wasn't it? Honestly, I'm not majorly involved in Scottish politics (yet), but Sturgeon was amazingly clear in her stance this afternoon. There was a woman with a plan. I would be astounded if such an accomplished politician as she is can't work this situation round to get the major aim of her party done and dusted in the next few years.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 28/06/2016 22:21

She has a plan, but I don't think Donald tusk is taking her calls.
It's unfair on the scots, I agree. But I'm not sure there's much they can do.

Theorchard · 28/06/2016 22:24

I voted in the indyref, there won't be another one, not for a long time, whatever Nicola Sturgeon is saying now. I'm not saying it will never happen, but it won't be part of this process.
Scotland is part of the U.K. And this (eu ref) was a UK wide referendum, not a Scottish one.
Donald Tusk won't even see Nicola Sturgeon.
As an aside, a weak pound is good for tourism, whisky and oil exports. Smile
Fwiw if my country voted overwhelmingly in one direction I would accept the decision. Scotland is part of the U.K., the U.K. made a choice, we must all accept that.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 28/06/2016 22:30

If the country voted "overwhelmingly" (and one has to wonder about the mindset that calls 52v 48% overwhelming but let that pass for now) for the restoration of the death penalty; or if slavery; should that be followed unquestioningly?
Sadly, I probably do have to state explicitly that I am not trying to suggest leaving the EU is morally equivalent to slavery; only that our democracy is a little more complex than what the majority happens to think at any particular moment in time.

SanityClause · 28/06/2016 22:31

Of course Donald Tusk isn't taking her calls - she's not a leader of a member state. It would be inappropriate.

Doesn't mean a load of unofficial schmoozing can't be done, though. You know, her people having lunch with his people.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 28/06/2016 22:35

He's declined to see her. There's no reason for the rEU to do what she wants, and lots of reasons not to. She's had it, I'm afraid, unfair though that is.
Scotland has a very legitimate complaint about the referendum arrangements failing to reflect the devolution settlement; but I can't see how that makes any difference at European level.

ocelot41 · 28/06/2016 22:36

Done!

Theorchard · 28/06/2016 22:43

dotsie depends where you move to darling. No crowing from me. No arguments from you, no actual debate and no solutions. Also it is far easier to have a plan when your entire population is less than that of London and you have one agenda, independence for Scotland.

I did not order everyone out, just pointed out that you have choices Karlos and made a suggestion. I think the future of the U.K. probably does rest with positive, optimistic creative, educated people like me. I hope it will include people like you too, and I hope you will choose to make it work, but that is up to you.
I would suggest remainers open their eyes and look to the rest of the world for business opportunities, the world is becoming more global not less. Why shackle yourself to a shrinking trade zone with reams of red tape? There is plenty of opportunity out there if we harness our creativity and be bold. That would be good for our whole society.

Theorchard · 28/06/2016 22:44

I don't think that is very likely do you Karlos

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 28/06/2016 22:46

empty platitudes coupled with insults. This is the best the leave proponents can do.
We will need more than this if we are to navigate this crisis. Where is it to come from?

Theorchard · 28/06/2016 22:46

P.s. I was referencing your comment re: overwhelming, not saying the referendum was overwhelming, although it was a clear mandate. Polls also suggest that in a rerun the outcome would not change.

Theorchard · 28/06/2016 22:50

Insults? Platitudes?
Why do you think we cannot succeed outside the eu? A failing political organisation?

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 28/06/2016 22:51

What do polls matter if the referendum is binding? But of course the referendum is not. In our constitutional system parliament is sovereign; but parliament is not going to be asked for many months. What if the popular view has altered by then?
Thus is the mess you get into when you fuck with your constitutional arrangements.

Theorchard · 28/06/2016 22:54

It is a clear mandate to act and I don't think it will change even in a few months, even with the ongoing project fear.

gandalf456 · 28/06/2016 22:55

Whatever the government chooses t do, I don't think the eu wants us now anyway

keepinrunning · 28/06/2016 22:57

I am writing to my MP right now. Anyone care to help me with what I need should write?

We are in an area that voted to remain. I understand that Parliament need to approve our withdrawal before Article 50 can be triggered. I am writing along the basis of pushing for our MP to vote in Parliament against withdrawal from the EU (which I am hoping they should do anyway - as they voted remain as did the majority of their constituents) - but also want to push them to lobby other MPs to keep us in. No idea how I should word this. Mostly on the basis of the undemocratic basis of voting in the referendum with so many lies and misinformation.

I kind of feel I know what I need to say, but not articulate enough!

Theorchard · 28/06/2016 22:57

I never said the referendum was binding, not sure why you are so obsessed with this. It is a clear mandate to act though, and if we do not act we will simply prove to the people that the majority do not have a voice, and that is a very foolhardy road.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 28/06/2016 22:58

It's not project fear now; its reality, and if things continue as they've started , public opinion may well shift. If it does, what is the referendum result worth? What is its status? It has none. It is no more than a snapshot of opinion at a given point in time.
The only certain outcome now is that whatever way we go, half the population will have grounds to question its legitimacy.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 28/06/2016 23:01

No, you do not understand why the question of legal status is important, because you do not understand and have never thought about the importance of having settled, stable constitutional arrangements.
You and people like you should be made to live in a place which does not have the benefit if such arrangements and find out the hard way what it is like. Your naivety sickens me.

gandalf456 · 28/06/2016 23:02

In what way would you say it was undemocratic?my point would be the campaign was lrd by an unelected politician

gandalf456 · 28/06/2016 23:02

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