Only for the leave voters - please!!!

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I don't want another attack on me I already feel battered and bruised from people on here -I was watching Muse 'Uprising'' at Glastonbury, they were bloody fantastic and the lyrics jumped out at me (maybe I am going mad I don't know) but they summed up what I feel about the EU and why I voted how I did. Worth a listen if anyones has a spare five minutes.

And hollow laugh at the suggestion that a Brexit vote has nipped the far right in the bud, when the far right feels emboldened by it and shows it.

They haven't got the nerve for that because it will affect business and the City and the lobbyists have power over them. So they lost fair and square, although they will bide their time

but yeah, you have to be right there, the PTB surely have too much interest vested in the city and the economy to just let it crash

it just feels like we've been stitched up...thats all :(

'I'm not sure if the British people have the nerve to be defiant in the face of project fear part 2'

I think we will because what they are showing us on the media is deliberate - people saying they voted wrong, but it doesn't represent teh silent majority they never ask.

As time goes on and they start resigning and no "Punishment Budget" is enacted and the Bank of England says now there is no problem and as businesses say we were told scare stories, then the people will see what lies they were capable of telling us in order to bully and scare us - the pensioners, the workers, the patients, the good people of this nation - who only wanted to get back control of their country from unelected appointees in Brussels. After that they will be discredited because we will all know who told the truth.

'the PTB surely have too much interest vested in the city and the economy to just let it crash'

Absolutely. The PTB is the money, the City, the bankers not the puppets who are now nowhere to be seen, who have gone AWOL while the country wakes up to the lies that were told.

'it just feels like we've been stitched up...thats all '

Boris said it was "the biggest stitchup since the Bayeux Tapestry" but we unravelled it and now they are hanging on by a thread.

It's not over yet, but we won the first round.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/2671336-Why-I-Voted-to-Leave-the-EU?pg=1

Mango moon, yes I too am happy and very proud to have given two fingers to the establishment. Absolutely there are lovely remainers out there and there is a lovely one on this post too, it's a shame they usually get drowned out so things cannot be discussed in a rational and civilised way. I also think that the far right movement will be not around much longer.

We're not safe anywhere, are we? Just got called racist and childish. And now there's one on here too.

I know trini, that didn't take long - what is there not to understand in my thread title.

Just ignore the vocal minority, they are hunting in packs, baying for blood and demanding 'answers!'.

They are like the complete opposite of the far right, just as rabid and hateful but with different targets.

There are literally millions of reasonable people out there, honestly.

I'm not attacking you, I can't change your mind.

I voted remain. I've also had a few really good friends experience unchecked racist attacks (yes, not all leavers) this weekend, one towards her 2 year old and I've wept for them. And watched that nonagenarians tears of joy about having his country back and how he doesn't have long left whilst 6th form colleges voted 90%+ stay in mock referendums.

I find myself humming Manic Street Preachers.

"And on the street tonight
An old man plays with newspaper cuttings of his glory days
And if you tolerate this then your children will be next"

Zorion, there is no need to worry. They lied to us, they used Project Fear on us. Now they are nowhere to be seen. Now the discredited tell us that the economy will be fine.

In 2 years' time, our growth worldwide will outstrip the austerity-ridden, crumbling and creaking EU's as they battle to save themselves from populist rebellions across the EU.

I'm an immigrant who voted Leave and I'm disgusted by the racism incidents that's been happening, not just that but also the increasing anti-semitism recently as well. Not sure what else exactly you expect me to do about it in terms of 'distancing'.

Racism doesn't necessarily align with Leave voter, I'm sure that are anti-semitic/islamaphobic Bremainers out there.

Erm, everyone is free to post on whatever threads we choose. Strange that you are gloating over sticking two fingers up at the establishment and then trying to dictate where people can post

My family all voted leave, I voted remain.

Attacking each other will get us nowhere but the fact remains that the campaign was won on lies and false promises and the far right now feels legitimised. There is no plan and the country feels fractured beyond repair.

We need to get our arses into gear and salvage something out of this unholy mess.

And tonight the BBC was showing the Last Days of Anne Boleyn, how Henry divorced from the Roman Catholics controlled from Rome and declared himself head of the Church of England. There was uproar and turbulence at the time and the rest as they say is history....and no-one now says it was the wrong course to take.

I think the BBC deliberately showed that programme tonight...maybe...I just happened to catch it while channel surfing ..and that was the message that spoke to me...or maybe I'm going mad.....

I would have more sympathy if those who are upset about being associated with racists and xenophobes would speak out openly against the xenophobia that has been amplified and used by the Leave campaign.

I think a lot of us have spoken up as non-racist "leave" supporters, but unfortunately, too many remainers are determined not to believe us and throw it back in our faces. I won't give up though.

'but the fact remains that the campaign was won on lies and false promises'

The polls (possibly rigged) were showing a victory for Remain just before the day, Cameron and the team were told by his pollster friend, according to reports, that he would be alright. We won despite the polls, despite the lies, despite the scares because we didn't believe that our country would collapse if we were no longer ruled by unelected officials from Brussels.

There will quickly be a plan because that is what politicians do. The politicians who lost will have to suck it up and get on with business. Just as all the multinationals are saying "we respect the will of the British people", the politicians who were for Remain will do the same.

We are always fractured after a general election where some vote Tory and others Labour, but what is different about this Referendum is that it was truly national and the Leave side included people from all parties, all ages, all races and all classes against the united might of the Tory Party, the Labour Party, the Greens, the SNP, the LibDems, the CBI, Goldman Sachs and all the rest.

There is a fracture between the people and the elites, but the people themselves are not as divided as the media pretends.

Probably every single election ever was won on lies and false promises. Shall we do over all of them?

The exit polls show that over a third of people voting Leave did so over immigration, which won't change. Or if it does is nothing to do with the EU in any event.
The 350million NHS promise quickly evaporated within hours.
The whole campaign was worthless. Remains was no better tbh.
I know not everyone who voted leave is a racist, but let's not think that this vote was won on anything other than far right racism and lies. Without them going to the polls it was a Remain win. And now they feel emboldened to spew their bile at will.

Firstly, Boris is our dog!
Secondly I voted remain
I'm horrified that people have had such abuse for the way they voted.
We are SO lucky to live in a democracy.
Democracy has been done correctly. The government asked a question and we gave them an answer.
That is how I feel.
Yes, I'm a bit terrified about what will happen but it almost certainly won't be as bad as we fear (unless Trump gets in - in which case it will be worse! 😂) but now we need a plan.

We are always fractured after a general election where some vote Tory and others Labour, but what is different about this Referendum is that it was truly national and the Leave side included people from all parties, all ages, all races and all classes against the united might of the Tory Party, the Labour Party, the Greens, the SNP, the LibDems, the CBI, Goldman Sachs and all the rest.
I am not here to be abusive either, but I am interested to know who's side you are on, if you are against all those parties, who are you hoping to lead the brexit movement? I genuinely am not going to attack your response. I just want to understand.

'The exit polls show that over a third of people voting Leave did so over immigration, which won't change.'

Depends what questions the pollsters asked. If they asked "are you fed up with Cameron's support of Brussels?" I expect 100% would have said yes.

Voters voted because they wanted changes to be made over immigration. If the political class who are supposed to represent them do nothing about it, then that is not the voters fault, it is the political class's fault. The voters voted in good faith, the political class scaremongered in bad faith.

'The 350million NHS promise quickly evaporated within hours. '

As Iain Duncan Smith said on TV today, he made no such promise, so that is probably another Remain campaign political class exaggeration.

'The whole campaign was worthless.'

The campaign discussed issues such as sovereignty, regaining fishing rights, subsidies for farmers, ability to make trade deals with China and India and growing markets outside of Europe etc

'I know not everyone who voted leave is a racist, but let's not think that this vote was won on anything other than far right racism and lies'

That is an insult to the British people, 52% of whom voted Brexit, among them Kate Hoey, Gisela Stuart, Andrea Leadsom, Priti Patel, Michael Gove, Dreda Say Mitchell, none of whom are racist, just like millions of pensioners, Labour voters and Conservative voters and Scottish and Northern Irish voters weren't either.

'Without them going to the polls it was a Remain win'

You must have a very low opinion of the British people if you think that there are that many racists among them, enough to defeat the Establishment side.

'And now they feel emboldened to spew their bile at will.'

I think it is you who are spreading bile against the British people who voted as a majority against the Establishment in order to regain control of their country from unelected Brussels bureaucrats.

Having concerns over the lack of control of immigration , let's not just say immigration or immigrants, does not make someone a racist. And this is why I think we lack the language, discourse or intellect currently to have a sensible discussion over this.

'I am interested to know who's side you are on, if you are against all those parties, who are you hoping to lead the brexit movement?'

I voted UKIP at the last election. I am on the side of common sense. I support common sense conservatives and common sense Labour like Kate Hoey, Andrea Leadsom, Michael Gove, Priti Patel, Frank Field. I want a united Brexit negotiation team, ideally including Nigel Farage who was the person who won us the right to have this Referendum after years of campaigning for it.

Nigel should not be part of team Brexit because he IS racist.