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Only for the leave voters - please!!!

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time4chocolate · 26/06/2016 18:02

I don't want another attack on me I already feel battered and bruised from people on here -I was watching Muse 'Uprising'' at Glastonbury, they were bloody fantastic and the lyrics jumped out at me (maybe I am going mad I don't know) but they summed up what I feel about the EU and why I voted how I did. Worth a listen if anyones has a spare five minutes.

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claig · 26/06/2016 22:51

'Apparently there are calls within the EU for Juncker to step down, which would be the icing on the cake.' Smile

We started a revolution. They underestimated the British people. They thought they could bully us and scare us

claig · 26/06/2016 22:53

"Now it is time to finish the revolution, says PETER HITCHENS

They shouldn’t have tried to scare us. It is a sign of how little the Remainers understand or know about Britain, and above all about England, that they thought that would work.

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3660282/Boston-Lincolngrad-saw-seething-resentment-time-finish-revolution-says-PETER-HITCHENS.html

queensansastark · 26/06/2016 23:05

Juncker must go. If there is no way of removing him, it just shows how undemocratic the EU is and that it is effectively a dictatorship.

queensansastark · 26/06/2016 23:06

The future of the EU and UK is bigger than the career of that arrogant egomaniac.

MangoMoon · 26/06/2016 23:08

Mooingcow, I can't take the credit for it unfortunately!

It was a poster on another thread called Thewolfisjustapuppy who linked to it.

She said she had been an increasingly angry remainer, she's an immigrant herself with a professional job and she couldn't get her head round why so many people voted to Leave. She felt unwanted & marginalised.
Anyway, she'd been trying to understand and came across that article and felt that she now better understood the depth of feeling and history behind it.

She was really lovely, and it struck me how she, an immigrant, was more interested and invested in understanding and working together for the future than the countless hand-wringing, vocal, fair-weather socialists that have been ranting all over the threads since Friday.

queensansastark · 26/06/2016 23:08

www.wsj.com/articles/brexit-a-very-british-revolution-1466800383

I wanted to share this article.

caitlinohara · 26/06/2016 23:09

The guy's a prick. Cameron tried to block his appointment in the first place didn't he? I think other countries are looking for someone to blame for Brexit and he fits the bill.

glassgarden · 26/06/2016 23:10

true, Cameron for example I always found very patronizing, he would speak to us in his 'uncle Dave' voice as if we were children, always insulting us with the same simple rhetoric 'hard working families' etc etc

perhaps that worked with some people but the country is too diverse for one tactic to fool everyone

you can fool some of the people some of the time
etc etc

claig · 26/06/2016 23:13

'true, Cameron for example I always found very patronizing, he would speak to us in his 'uncle Dave' voice as if we were children, always insulting us with the same simple rhetoric 'hard working families' etc etc' Grin

Very true, and you knew he was acting and trying to scare us when he pursued his lips, pointed his thumb at us and spoke very slowly to us

MangoMoon · 26/06/2016 23:25

I love that article queens Smile

This quote sums up what being 'British' means to me actually:

As a recent editorial in Der Spiegel put it, Brits “have an inner independence ..... in addition to myriad anti-authoritarian, defiant tendencies.”

And you can be that version of British wherever you live, are from, what class or colour you are, whatever language you speak or your sexuality, occupation or age.

We're more than 'little England', so much more.

(Am aware that probably reads like overly emotional nonsense, but I mean it Blush)

queensansastark · 26/06/2016 23:26

I'm an ethnic minority and an immigrant. I don't take the referendum outcome personally. Strictly speaking is that racism though MangoMoon? It's not the colour of skin, it's the fact that she's the latest arrival.

I voted leave with a heavy heart. I was fleeting between the two, it could have landed on either side, on voting day I decided Leave.

When the outcome came, I did not feel victorious. I was gutted and sad, because I knew that there are tough and scary times ahead. I believe I voted for the long term future of my DD despite the short term pain.

What swayed me on the day was asking myself how I would feel after the referendum. I know Leave would be bad economically, but I thought that if the outcome was Remain, I would have felt really bad when the next crises hits the EU, I would have kicked myself for not taking that one chance to get out while we can. Or regretting not voting Leave when we find ourselves in an undemocratic, and corrupt federal Europe in 10 years time with ever more scope creep and taking away of power over time.

Were you all stead fast Leave voters all along?

claig · 26/06/2016 23:35

'Were you all stead fast Leave voters all along?'

Yes, because of sovereignty. It is a superstate project run by an unaccountable elite who control their political servants.

MangoMoon · 26/06/2016 23:36

I was leave from the beginning, but I listened to all the other arguments too - my 14 yr old was massively interested in the ins and outs of it all so I ended up looking up & googling loads more than I perhaps would have otherwise.

The point that nailed it for me was when Dave came back with minimal concessions.
The EU had just thumbed its nose at us.

fourmummy · 26/06/2016 23:39

but the fact remains that the campaign was won on lies and false promises But how does anyone know that people actually voted on these premises? This is the most puzzling thing about Remainers' weird reaction - Leavers may have voted on a whole raft of factors not including what you think they may have voted on. It's a very self-centred and egotistical way to view the world

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time4chocolate · 26/06/2016 23:42

Queens - yes I was always leave, that's not to say I had a closed mind, I did thoroughly research reasons to remain, however, they didn't sit with how I felt or what I wanted the future to look like for my children, my grandchildren and for this country.

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queensansastark · 26/06/2016 23:43

Yes. Me too.

When they showed that they will not change and that you will not be able to change them from within.

And when all the Cologne sex attacks happened in January, I remember thinking, get out, just get the f* out now.

queensansastark · 26/06/2016 23:48

To me, it's analogous to deciding to LTB when a DH is showing himself to be more and more controlling over time and shows no sign that he is capable of changing.

And yet, some people choose to stay in unhappy controlling marriages for the sake of the children/union.

BMW6 · 26/06/2016 23:49

I've been waiting for this referendum opportunity since the Maastricht Treaty was foisted on us in 1992 (and the rest of the population of the EU - France did actually get a referendum and only just got the mandate FFS and Denmark was made to vote twice).

We should have been asked before we signed whether we wanted to become part of it after it had evolved from the Common Market - I have absolutely no doubt the Public would have given a resounding NO. Which is, of course, why we were not asked.......

IMHO that is why so many older voters voted Leave this time - they remembered the 1992 stitch up too and seized the chance to get out.

queensansastark · 26/06/2016 23:50

Yep, maastrict treaty. Total scope creep.

NoMudNoLotus · 27/06/2016 00:05

Queen yes your posts resound with me.

I know it won't be easy for a while, but I did it for my children and future grandchildren . I feel upset at all the vitriol spewed our way - but I feel relieved for the future of my children.

MangoMoon · 27/06/2016 00:11

YY to Maastrict, although I was only 17 at the time!

I remember being massively pissed off with Tony Blair opening the doors to the former eastern bloc countries with no staggered introduction - France, Germany etc did it in intervals. At the same time labour had created the welfare trap and the rot really set in.
Then the constitution change that magically became a treaty change (to avoid a referendum) with Gordon Brown.

Then the whole 'racist!' shutting down of any discussion and the bigot thing with GB was a major point.

It just went on & on and got increasingly worse.

glassgarden · 27/06/2016 00:11

IMHO that is why so many older voters voted Leave this time - they remembered the 1992 stitch up too and seized the chance to get out

good point

broadly speaking older people tend to be more canny, more skeptical, less trusting, have learned from experience and take a longer view of things.
They have watched the EU from start to the present day and can see the bigger picture

it's irksome to be accused of ruining the future for the younger generation, many of whom didnt vote

MangoMoon · 27/06/2016 00:13

I'm actually struggling to understand why people so desperately wanted to stay in now tbh.

queensansastark · 27/06/2016 00:17

I worry about the break up of the UK.

queensansastark · 27/06/2016 00:19

More worried about that then the economic fallout. The economy will bounce back. Breaking up of countries....that's dangerous.