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Who do YOU blame for this?

202 replies

Crunchymum · 26/06/2016 15:25

Do you lay the blame completely with DC for this? Afterall he agreed to the referendum in the first place in order to be re-elected.

Do you blame the people behind the lies of the Brexit campaign? BoJo and Gove et al

Do you blame Corbyn and his lukewarm campaign?

Do you blame the non voters or those who voted and now wish they could change their vote?

Do you blame those who voted leave and still refuse to acknowledge they have been mislead?

Do you blame yourself for not reaching out to more people and making sure they knew how important this vote was and how there was no going back?

Are all of the above to blame to a degree?

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starry0ne · 26/06/2016 18:26

I don't know as I would use the word blame because we don't know anything still about what is going to happen it is all speculation...

However If we were going to be given the vote I think we should of been given the fact to the best of their knowledge. I had lots of leaflets put through my door but none of it was un biased.

People are blaming un educated people so why was it not given in laymens term and if it was too complicated for that there should not of been a vote.

I think we are now in a position where we don't believe a word that is been said by the politicians..

I heard about economic recovery in the campaign..To be honest I was really shocked..As all I hear about are job loses, more cuts, pay cuts..

I can say all I read about was big business...Very little about how the EU helps us more about big business.

I do blame the leave campaign who used immigration and now the racists that were here before the campaign now feel justified as they thing the other 17 million wanted to leave because they are racist.

I also blame the in voters who are now so arrogant that it is assumed that anyone who voted out is either racist or stupid. I also blame they can't get over the fact we live in a democracy and that was the vote...I never wanted conservative in government in power however I don't go telling everyone they were wrong to vote conservative.

The most comments I have seen is how this vote affects me which is what is really wrong with this country right now and something really needs to change.

wispaxmas · 26/06/2016 18:28

I also blame all the voters who abandoned the lib dems over tuition fees backtracking, because without a majority government the tories would never have been able to hold this referendum and I think voters wholly underestimated how the lib dems softened the right wing nutters of the tories when they were in government together.

Luckymummy22 · 26/06/2016 18:30

Everyone. We're all to blame.

Conservatives - most to blame

Labour - for being a weak oppostion

EU - for not realising this was going to happen & being unreformable.

Angela Merkel - she was very honourable in her welcome to refugees but it should have been managed in a control way. They should not have been allowed to walk through Europe. Also Germany seems too powerful now so people are worried about that

Leave campaign pain - for all the lies

Nigel Farage - obvious

Remain campaign - for also lying & having a week campaign.

Leave voters - well the uneducated , bregeters, racists, voting against establishmentry etc.

Remain voters - we weren't vocal enough. It's as if we were afraid to be heard as the Leave voice was so strong.

I'm sure I'be missed a few lol

lljkk · 26/06/2016 18:39

I don't blame anyone. I think it's incredibly crass to "blame" folk. It was a tricky decision for most voters and many realised they had to vote with heart not head. Cameron had no choice but to put a Referendum on the party manifesto.

Boris is the only person I accuse of being a cynical idiotic bastard in why and how he got involved. But do you blame a snake for being a snake? Meh.

mollie123 · 26/06/2016 18:44

the remain campaign for lie after lie and attempting to manipulate the voters through fear, shame and guilt. Oh and remain voters with comfortable lifestyles in the London bubble who voted in their own selfish interest and by wishing to appear 'right-on' with their decision while ignoring the rest of England and Wales who have many real concerns about the EU.

BertrandRussell · 26/06/2016 18:46

"Cameron had no choice but to put a Referendum on the party manifesto."

Why did he have no choice?

Actually, if I had to pick anyone apart from Cameron to blame, it would be the people on either side who voted with "heart" not "head". That, as they say, is no way to run a railroad.

BertrandRussell · 26/06/2016 18:47

"the remain campaign for lie after lie and attempting to manipulate the voters through fear, shame and guilt"

What do you blame them for?

Lighteningirll · 26/06/2016 18:49

I don't blame anyone I credit this exciting new future free of EU shackles to the majority of the voters who rose above Project Fear, ignored the vile slurs and bullying and got the best possible result for our long term economy.

Brokenbiscuit · 26/06/2016 18:52

I blame David Cameron. We should never have had a referendum in the first place, and the only reason we had one was because of internal Tory party politics.

wispaxmas · 26/06/2016 18:56

the best possible result for our long term economy.

How will this get us the best result? The only talk I've heard regarding the economy and Brexit is that it will suffer. But of course that's according to those bloody experts, what do they know? How can you back up your claim that this will be better long term? I will agree that the UK is a strong country and can survive, but being in the single market has been good for the economy and there's basically a consensus of the experts to say that even f there is growth it will not be as fast or strong as if we were to remain in the EU.

Please tell me, what is this plan for the economy that will mean this is the best way forward economically. We are now on the back foot in terms of any trade negotiations.

RiceCrispieTreats · 26/06/2016 19:02

I blame the cynical exploitation of nationalism by the tabloid press and by the Establishment, for their own personal gain.

rookiemere · 26/06/2016 19:06

I want to ask a genuine question rather than answer.

Was Boris Johnson the deciding factor in the Leave campaign? If we look at the support graphs earlier in the year it seemed as if Remain was a forgone conclusion, but it seems to me that Johnson may have been the driving factor that gave it enough credibility to get through the line.

MangoMoon · 26/06/2016 19:16

It was nothing at all to do with the personalities involved.

This goes back years.

But the London bubble & elite ignored it. Repeatedly.

RiceCrispieTreats · 26/06/2016 19:19

True, MangoMoon. Centuries, even, have led to this point.

So I think all we can do is look at the tools we have in hand in the present, and use them to limit damage as much as possible.

BessieBraddocksEgg · 26/06/2016 19:20

Cameron's little piece of paper from the EU had more influence on me in the latter stages.

chilledmonday · 26/06/2016 19:21

I blame the people who voted without understanding the implications.
It was absolutely clear what would happen.
^this

MangoMoon · 26/06/2016 19:22

And I blame the people who wilfully ignored the disparity that was going on right under their noses for years.

LondonKiwiMummy · 26/06/2016 19:27

I also love mrs lupo

There are so many people we should hold accountable as she rightly points out.

Emotionally - speaking purely from the heart - I hold Boris Johnson accountable for selling the lies for cynical self interest.

RiceCrispieTreats · 26/06/2016 19:27

Do you mean economic disparity between the haves and have-nots, Mango? Or something else?

NameChanger22 · 26/06/2016 19:27

I blame everyone that vote leave especially those who did it for racists reasons.

I also blame the right wing parties, the right wing press, everyone that voted Cameron in so we could have a referendum. I think Cameron was stupid and arrogant but he led the remain campaign so I will forgive him a bit.

I certainly do not blame Jeremy Corbyn, or Labour, or the Liberal Democrats. I do not blame anyone that voted remain. We all could have done more to try and persuade people and educate them, but it's really hard when people have their fingers in their ears and are determined not to listen or learn anything.

lljkk · 26/06/2016 19:28

How is it "a lie" for remain campaign to report what economic experts & political leaders expected to happen? You may think their crystal balls are crap, but that doesn't take away the fact they said those things.

BJohnson speaks well. He may be a scumface butterfly-brain but he's a good orator. Will have influenced some folk.

HildurOdegard · 26/06/2016 19:29

I blame tony Blair for encouraging a generation of special snowflakes unable to apply critical thinking and instead just bandy around the word "racist".

I've seen more Remainers screech about immigration than leavers - they're bloody obsessed with immigration - the racist twats.

TooSmallForSchool · 26/06/2016 19:30

Erm, well I don't think blame is a good process. I voted remain and am pretty gutted at the result. But I also acknowledge there are lots of things about the EU and associated political elite in Brussels that are not ideal.

The point of democracy is that we all have a say then are grown up enough to abide by the answer. We should be demonstrating to the world that democracy still works, not tearing each other apart or feeling bad about the outcome. Some things will be better out, some things worse. But the world is not going to end. gets off soap box

Having said all that, I do wonder if we'd have been in this mess if Ed Milliband hadn't ridden over his brother to get to the top of Labour......maybe then there would have been a stronger, more credible opposition, no referendum vote, or at least a remain campaign with some credibility/enthusiasm 🤔

CremeEggThief · 26/06/2016 19:32

Nigel Farage- for preying on peoples' fears.
Boris Johnson- for using this to his advantage.
David Cameron and the Government - for agreeing to the referendum in the first place and for making some voters resent them, due to the harsh and sly cuts they introduced.
Every single person who voted Leave.

airforsharon · 26/06/2016 19:45

I agree with 80sMum. If i have to pick someone to blame it's Cameron, for holding the bloody referendum. I honestly think this was too big an issue to be voted upon by the electorate - many of whom sadly are now admitting they did little or no 'homework' before voting, and didn't really look beyond the end of their noses.

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