Who do YOU blame for this?

[Crunchymum]

Do you lay the blame completely with DC for this? Afterall he agreed to the referendum in the first place in order to be re-elected.

Do you blame the people behind the lies of the Brexit campaign? BoJo and Gove et al

Do you blame Corbyn and his lukewarm campaign?

Do you blame the non voters or those who voted and now wish they could change their vote?

Do you blame those who voted leave and still refuse to acknowledge they have been mislead?

Do you blame yourself for not reaching out to more people and making sure they knew how important this vote was and how there was no going back?

Are all of the above to blame to a degree?

There is currently a motion for the Labour party to adopt PR as official party policy. It will be interesting to see how that plays out.

All of the above but mainly DC. I'm not forgiving Corbyn either.

The EU and its leaders are responsible for creating this situation.

I blame a system in the EU that has ravaged and scourged the poor. An ideological straight jacket they are keen to tighten at every opportunity. I blame the EU for not putting people first and writing off generations for their higher goals. I blame the EU for in over 40 years never having got its act together in so many areas, fighting corruption, listening to experts on the danger of automatic weapons ( then used to slaughter at the batacaln) for having no conceivable plan to deal with the migration crisis, for not helping Greece deal with it, for having a system where one person ie Merkel says something and it affects the whole bloody area...
I blame our politicians for happily buying into it - ( looking squarely at you teeth baring Blair) and then for other politicians to ignore peoples real troubles, and simply keep repeating how great the EU is for us. Like ED Milliband. I then blame the EU for sending Cameron away with utter shite to offer us, what an insult, and the repetition of the mantra...

I do not blame Cameron at all, this is democracy.

A mix between Dave Cameron and the racists.

It's come to a pretty pass when you see a headline about weak, ineffectual leadership and you're not sure if it refers to the PM, the England Manager or the Leader of the Opposition

I blame the people who voted for the Tory Party at the last GE, despite them promising more austerity.

The same Tory Party who had well known MP's who wanted a EU Referendum. I blame the Tory Party, Labour had no major eurosceptics at all.

They have a few, humane voices but why is that, why doesn't labour party in anyway represent the people who vote for it

I actually don't blame Cameron. This vote had to happen at some point. The dissent had been rumbling for years and it had to be resolved one way or the other

You don't think it was unforgivably reckless to not even have formulated a plan in the event of the leave vote winning? I don't understand why anyone (from either side) wouldn't find David Cameron overwhelmingly culpable for the chaos he's left behind him.

Of course the vote didn't have to happen at some point!

Only a complete imbecile would put such a complex question to the public for a yes/no vote.

It's one of the biggest mistakes in British political history.

The EU and it's arrogance and unwillingness to re-form or listen. Junkers- drunken arrogant bully-boy.
The conseravtive government and their right-wing agenda that has disenfranchised much of the population.
The Labour party- who have no interest in their members or their heartlands.
The Daily Mail.
I am happy to let the lot fall apart at the moment in the hope we will be able to re-build something better.

Cameron was arrogant and complacent. Corbyn was cool on the EU anyway.
Junker made things worse by being utterly arrogant - he really didn't help the remain campaign.
It was a mixture of factors and I think the misreprestation of the facts was the least to do with it.

This from Gordon Brown this morning looks like a good thing:

Brown calls for all-party commission to investigate globalisation after Brexit vote

Gordon Brown, the former prime minister, has deliver a major speech on Brexit in Scotland this morning.
Brown called for an all-party commission to investigate globalisation, and how it can be made to work for everyone. This was vital because the “anti-establishment rebellion” was being fuelled by opposition to globalisation, he said.
'To understand the causes of the anti-establishment rebellion we should set up an all-party commission that brings in people with much to contribute from all over the world and usher in a national conversation on all aspects of globalisation. The aim should be to make globalisation work for the British people in an inclusive and fair way - asking how we can take new measures - to raise skills, to compete in new areas, to help the low paid, to increase the supply of jobs, to relieve communities under pressure - and thus respond to the insecurities that globalisation can bring. This is the central economic issue of our times. Given that we are trying to address the concerns of people who feel left behind by global change we should encourage a national conversation on global change that includes that immigration brings great benefits but has to be managed.'
He said the government should investigate options for a trade relationship with the EU. He favoured the Norway option, he said.
'To narrow the areas of uncertainty on our trading relationships we must not only investigate all the main options for our continued relations with Europe while outside the EU – the Norway, Swiss and WTO options and I believe we should favour the Norway option – that as part of the EEA we retain membership of the single market but that we investigate the protocol and use of the EEAs safeguard clause for managing immigration.'

Seems like a reasonable approach.

How does Brown define "globalisation"? Is it inevitably a move to ever-closer union, firstly of the EU and possibly a lot more? If so, how does this "work for everyone" if many of us don't want it at all?

I don't think we'll be going for a Norway/Swiss option etc. It will be a British option.

Very sensible & reasonable.

I mean sensible & reasonable to actually start making an effort to engage with people and to reevaluate our outdated strategies.

Wrt EU, a British option particular to Britain is the solution.

This might be where we might get see who is really willing to engage in helping the working class, and who is just going to say 'nah, never mind that, just stop freedom of movement, it will do, thanks!'

Fawful I agree!

Godwin's video law:

At some point the Hitler rant clip will be adapted to the topic under discussion.

I don't think Gordon Brown and his bigot remarks helped. Rightly or wrongly a large group of people are concerned about immigration and they have been ignored, shouted down, and labelled xenophobic and/ or racist.

MPs patting potential voters on the head and telling them that they have nothing to fear, employment wise, from hundreds of thousands of EU migrants entering the country...
...and yet, don't you have to be a British/ Commonwealth citizen to become an MP?

a large group of people are concerned about immigration and they have been ignored, shouted down, and labelled xenophobic and/ or racist.

For the most part, what I've seen is that people concerned about immigration have ignored and shouted down arguments that show that there is not much to worry about immigration from the EU. Including those that mix EU migrats with out of EU migrants.

Re: 'rightly or wrongly', well it does make s difference whether they are concerned rightly or wrongly.
Is the UK at breaking point?
Is it really?
What is the evidence?
Politicians are saying it because they think that's what people want to hear, and the more they say it, the more people believe it, but is it true?
It's an especially weird claim if you consider that as a nation, we are only able to have such amazing standards of living (and they are amazing by global standards: no one is eating mud biscuits) because our goods are produced by people on the other side of the planet for a dollar per day.
Can no politician convincingly make the case for the UK as a nation to have a go at sharing its resources with desperate migrants?

Our local BBC news were interviewing people last night. One woman said she thought leave was the right choice for the UK - that ten or eleven years ago she rarely heard an Eastern European voice in the town where she lives and now it is all she hears. Someone calling her a stupid, racist, xenophobe isn't going to sway her opinion too much, is it?