Who do YOU blame for this?

[Crunchymum]

Do you lay the blame completely with DC for this? Afterall he agreed to the referendum in the first place in order to be re-elected.

Do you blame the people behind the lies of the Brexit campaign? BoJo and Gove et al

Do you blame Corbyn and his lukewarm campaign?

Do you blame the non voters or those who voted and now wish they could change their vote?

Do you blame those who voted leave and still refuse to acknowledge they have been mislead?

Do you blame yourself for not reaching out to more people and making sure they knew how important this vote was and how there was no going back?

Are all of the above to blame to a degree?

Actually I retract that I blame Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. I do blame them for an awful lot of things including letting immigration get out of control and selling the working classes down the river to name but two, but in the end I blame the EU itself for being crap, corrupt, intransigent, self-serving and undemocratic.

Yes the economic disparity RiceCrispie, and also the desperation.

Why? What words did you want to spin on my post?

Agree Weekend, absolutely.

I don't blame anybody... It is called democracy.

Why are Leave people voting a list of who they blame, when they won and claim to be happy? Very odd

How long can a newly wed couples stay along with minimum ten relatives or may be 27 relatives, does any one of you live in joint family, DEFINITELY NO !! you will be absolutely stressed out living with so many people at home with their choice, their likes and the newly wed marriage has only been stressed over years. Similar is the story of British with EU, Britain is stressed off with so many issues! Definitely couples need a break.

When we ourself can't live in a joint family with many indifferences, how can one expect all countries into this puddle !!

respect space,respect freedom, no need of being desperate . Lets hope for the good !! Only trading would be done in a different way, and bars will be set high which is in a way good unlike America,Canada,Switzerland,Norway. So most talented people would pop in. I am an Eu and i pay tax, I am alright with either Leave or Remain .
I support both.

Wake up and lets start our day like any normal day. Worrying would only invite more stress related disorders. At the max we might end up in our own country. That is all , why being greedy if we cannot make it up.

Arghh, this constant repetition of falsehoods about "the problems of immigration" does my head in.

The migrant worker tax-take was one of the few successes in our economy.

I in 7 businesses in UK started by a migrant.next.ft.com/content/dc7f9f0e-a3ae-11e3-88b0-00144feab7de

Employers in East Anglia, particularly in food production, are employing migrant workers because they could not recruit locally. You can walk into one of these jobs today - though they are grim and low paid- so in theory, nothing to stop these Northern/Welsh unemployed people relocating.

Indeed as many of the factories insist on English being spoken for H&S reasons they would have massive advantage over many migrants.

There is a massive shortage of British HGV drivers www.fta.co.uk/media_and_campaigns/campaigns/driver_shortage.html

We have an ageing population and migrants are overwhelmingly of working age.

If we limit immigration more than we do then out economy would nosedive further

The problem in UK is not immigration- it was
lack of investment in UK vocational training by govt/employers
lack of investment in housing and infrastructure
ending of the migrant impact fund by the Government
Govt not facilitating internal migration by helping with moving and housing costs
Failure to spread wealth of economy into the post industrial and ex mining areas.

Scapegoating is easy. I blame those who choose to do so.

"Boris and Farage aren't meant to have an exit plan BTW, that comes down to the government" It is the governments responsibility, yes, but surely if you advocate, campaign for something that dismantles the current trading agreements for your country, you have a plan for something that will work, and work better than the one you argued you should scrap?
I would bloody well hope Boris has a plan if he intends to stand as the next PM!

I would bloody well hope Boris has a plan if he intends to stand as the next PM!
It seems Boris and Gove do now have a plan, and that's basically nothing changes.
If we'd had a referrendum based on should we exit the EU in favour of an EEA style system then this we massively could have avoided the rise of racism and the vast majority of people not being happy whether they are stayers/free marketeers/wanted nhs money/wanted immigration culled. We'd have more of an idea of cost to us and we'd not have an exceptionally pissed off EU to negotiate with.
I don't even know who to blame for the fact no one though there was enough mistrust and hatred out there that leave may in fact win this.

I blame the crazy political strategists who are unelected and invisible.

Whilst we have a public dickwaving contest going on, behind the scenes someone was doing a good Goebbels masterclass in propaganda and brainwashing. Something that when you start looking at it, you start sounding like a Scouser going 'Eh, eh, eh?'

This is now something they have lost control of.

Brexit itself is only half the problem.

From the Guardian comment that went viral:
"The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction."
Write to your MP expressing your concerns. Sign the petitions. It's not over yet.

The Tories for promising the referendum (and other bollocks) to get the UKIP voters in the general election. Short term thinking. They didn't think this would happen because they are Tories who don't care about and thus are totally out of touch with working people's issues.

Cameron promised it, got a bad result and is still using it to his own advantage by saying he won't help sort out the mess he caused and wants to send Boris off down the river on a sinking ship. The ship is our country. So thanks Cameron, we'll wave at as we sink in the shit whilst you sit happy with your Etonites with all your cash lifeboats.

And I also think the people who voted in the Tories and regretted it as soon as they starting trying to shaft them with tax credits need to think on. They are not a party for the working people, no matter what bullshit they tell you. They might at one point have wanted individual success but those days are long gone. They are in politics to keep the class system going as long as they can to benefit the elite. Any old tory ideals of individuals working towards success have sunk a long time ago with Major.

I saw a Leave voter actually saying they voted Leave to increase disability benefits and tax credits. Yeah that'll happen

If we are playing the blame game then buck stops with Cameron. He enabled the referendum to take place and in the way it did... a caveat about a sizeable majority being required was necessary.

Wheeling out War Crim Blair couldn't have helped much either.

David Cameron for calling it in the first place, purely because he still wanted a position of power.
Gove, Johnson etc for making promises that they were in absolutely no position to make.
Farage fills me with rage because over the weekend there has been a huge jump in racist and xenophobic incidents.
Some of the newspapers, for ignoring the truth and being utterly inflammatory and promising the world. Today they are backtracking rapidly.
I somewhat blame Corbyn, even though I admire many of his principles - he was too wishy-washy
Some of the remain campaign, got too desperate, which meant that everything they said was shouted down.

I don't blame voters, especially not the ones with good intentions. They were lied to and many were duped, they didn't understand the consequences and that there is no plan going forward., Some could see a good case for exit and some still can - they think we just need to hold the faith. I admire their optimism.

One thing I do know, is that while it is very hard and while we still need to talk about it and debate it, because only then will we start to heal, we absolutely need to stop turning on each other like Bulldogs. We are going to end up eating ourselves if we don't find a way to come together.

I blame Tony Blair and Gordon Brown. The rot set In with them. The austerity measures put in place to try and resolve the mess left by the Labour Government led to a lot of people voting leave. I also blame all the voters that didn't have the intelligence to actually research and instead took as gospel the information and misinformation they were fed. I also blame the Remain campaign who failed to get across the facts clearly and who had a poor campaign.

I blame Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, were lead by political strategists who went for the popular centre vote.

In the process they left roughly 18% of the electorate without representation and a prime target for exploitation at some point in the future due to being left to rot.

Most of the blame lies with Cameron. One of the worst judged political decisions in Britain's modern history.

I also reserve the right to blame Gove and Johnson for legitimising the Leave campaign in the interests of furthering their political careers. They were well aware of the mistruths they were spreading and they cheerfully sold our future up the river for the sake of their political career. Thanks.

The labour party too deserves a little share (or perhaps more specifically the broken political system of this country). The poor and disenfranchised lept on this as a protest vote. If they hadn't been so fucked over by UK politics for years, it may not have come to this.

The word omnishambles has never seemed so appropriate. God help us.

John Major for signing the Maastricht Treaty without holding a referendum on it.

Gordon Brown and David Miliband for signing the Lisbon Treaty without even debating it in parliament, let along holding a referendum on it. news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7141279.stm

Jean-Claude Juncker for failing to respond to David Cameron's request for something substantial to offer the British public in terms of the repatriation of British powers.

I don't know if Cameron could have negotiated better, so I don't know if he could have come home with more, but I do think he had to hold this referendum. The fact that Leave won demonstrates that it is not just about divisions in the Tory party. Unfortunately, faced with an in-out referendum, this left many people with no choice but to vote out. A better referendum would have given us options on different models of EU membership, but no one was prepared to contemplate any change to the status quo.

Whether the current turmoil is worth it will depend on skilled negotiations, which means putting a lot of trust in the hands of the people involved. Personally I want EEA membership, with freedom of movement, but without the ECJ being our supreme court. I know that won't satisfy everyone with an anti-immigration agenda, but it would allow the UK more control over the movement of the few EU citizens who are a burden on the British tax payer, which would reduce immigration a bit. It would also allow us to have bilateral trade agreements with non-EU countries.

Calamara, I agree.

The only thing I would want different to you is that it is free movement of workers, rather than individuals.

Apart from that, everything you said.

I blame newspapers exploiting nationalism and xenophobia. I wish more people made a point about the benefits of immigration. I wish people were busier trying to think of ways to help others in parts of the world that are suffering. Who wants to grow up in a country at war or where corruption is endemic? We can only sleep at night because it's happening far away. We should all individually spend more time trying to help refugees rather than worry about our standards of living falling slightly.
After graduating my (British) DP went to live in Europe doing casual work in France, Germany and the Netherlands for a while. He had, let's say, mental health issues, and he was helped enormously by being in the position of a foreigner abroad and being seen and seeing things differently. He came back a changed person.

I wish more people made a point about the benefits of immigration

Fawful, what benefits of uncontrolled EU economic migration did the working classes see & experience?