Lib Dems pledging to ignore brexit vote

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Would they stand a chance? Interesting. DC got in with 11m votes, Tim Farron could have 16m on his side.

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-referendum-result-lib-dems-remain-liberal-democrats-live-policy-stay-leave-a7103186.html%3famp?client=safari#

That's a shame, as I was planning on going back to voting for them after years of voting UKIP. If they can't be trusted to back a democratic process then that doesn't fill me with confidence. (It doesn't matter who I vote for, I live in one of those places where everyone and their dog vote labour, so my protest vote makes no difference at all. I wouldn't really want a UKIP government, but I did want the referendum)

Why not a GE in Autumn? If the new Tory Leader can not unite the party we will see Tories going native to save their own arses - ie pander to their constituents. Don't for get 42% of Tory voters voted remain. 185 Torys for Remain 128 for Leave

www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2016/06/europe-how-conservative-mps-break-down-1-over-half-those-backing-remain-are-on-the-payroll.html

Even if they allowed article 50 to be served - how will any bills get through?

Sorry that should be 185 Tory MPs for Remain 128 Tory MPs for Leave

Lovely to finally see how some politicians really feel about democracy. This will strongly discourage voter participation in future elections if the results of the majority (over a million people is a majority) can just be disregarded. Yes 16+ million voted remain but 17+ million voted leave. I voted leave. I'm brown AND a foreigner. While a few brexiters regret their vote, very many do not. Guess I'm a xenophobic racist. This disregard for the democratic will of the people is more ominous and dangerous than brexit. If Lib Dems win the next election, (😅😅😅 by the way) I will promptly start a petition for a do over. I used to vote Lib Dem... no more. They are perpetuating the divisive plague that has followed the referendum. People abandoning their friends and family for voting their conscience, remainers spitting hate and bile. And the wanton disregard for democracy. It's thoroughly shameful.

I know. Don't these politicians realise the damage they are doing not only to democracy in our country but to the public's regard for the government, politicians, and voting?

They're too busy fighting over leadership to realise the further damage they are doing.

And as far as LibDems are concerned, any party that happily trots out that they're willing to ignore a democratic vote is not one I'm going to trust any time soon.

16 million voters may well be very interested in the Lib Dems now. That is democracy too.

They promise the moon and the stars all the time, knowing they'll never be in a position to have to deliver!

Trini I know many brown and black people who voted to leave (within my family) - some have been openly racist to Eastern Europeans and I question whether I will ever be able to be cordial to them again - over their racism not their vote

The colour of your skin does not prevent you from being a racist at all

Also I think you need to understand what you voted for - the referendum is NOT legally or constitutionally binding.

Of course a party can stand on the basis of refusing to serve Article 50 - and I would vote for them

Of course a party can stand on the basis of refusing to serve Article 50 - and I would vote for them

Not it it's evoked before they can't.

No Tory MPs have said they will go against the vote. Only one Labour has.

Wish people would stop talking to me like I'm 4 years old. I know what I voted for, I know how it works. And I NEVER said there are no brown or black racists. If you have some in your family then I'm sorry for you and your family. But THIS brown foreigner is not racist and my home country is very very multi racial including Caucasian, chinese, asian, syrian, Portuguese and black people. So just step right off!!!!!!!!!!!

TriniI was illustrating that using the colour of your skin to prove you are not a racist does not work - nor does having a tantrum prove you are not 4 years old

You don't know me so pipe down with the implications that I'm racist and childish because I dared to defend myself.

Oranges I think as most leavers have repeatedly said 'Early days, early days' I don't think 3 months out of any potential debate we could even try to predict the outcome.

Boris hasn't even given a proper public statement etc - and the labour party may be electing anew leader too Early days Early days

You'll notice that Tim Farron's constituency (mine) voted Remain - South Lakeland. This is entirely due to the local Tim Farron effect - (he's a great local MP) - otherwise this area would be as "brexit" as they come (ageing, rural population far from London).

And as far as LibDems are concerned, any party that happily trots out that they're willing to ignore a democratic vote is not one I'm going to trust any time soon.
Since when did our system require that when you lost an election you had to stop arguing or fighting for all the things that were important to you? One party wins an election, the others don't just pack up and go home, they keep fighting to change the outcome next time there's a vote. The LibDems are proposing to seek a democratic mandate to oppose or reverse Brexit in the next Parliament. That's how democracy works.

Who was it I heard saying before the vote that if the result was as close as 52% - 48% it couldn't be regarded as decisive and they would keep fighting for another referendum? Oh yes - it was Nigel Farage. And in fact the vote was just slightly closer than that. If fewer than two voters in 100 had changed their minds and voted Remain instead of Leave the outcome would have been different. I hope as a good democrat Nigel's signed that petition that's doing the rounds.

simplepedant Good one

Sorry to keep bringing up the tution few thing but I just wanted to add that most people are aware that it was a Labour Goverment who brought in the tution fees. Coupled with a war that millions didn't want, voters where looking for an alternative to the usual two party race, Nick Clegg and the Lib Dems looked like that alternative but ultimately were more of that same.

I think peole will find it hard to trust them, just as it will be hard to trust the Labour Party led by another Blarite.

Yes trust is in short supply.

Would still rather lib dem than ineffectual and smug Corbyn or BoJo, Gove et al.

Nothing is perfect.

I joined today. It is our duty to fight for our country and its values, a true leader leads by example, not by quitting a team and moaning in a corner. Lib Dem has a vision for UK in Europe, and that is what matters most now. I'm in!

Anna you're right. I think I will join too.

This is a shameless attempt to grab votes and shows what a low regard they have for democracy and for the electorate

I agree. I was astonished and my respect for them has dropped hugely since hearing that. They should be renamed the Illiberal Undemocrats.

Who was it I heard saying before the vote that if the result was as close as 52% - 48% it couldn't be regarded as decisive and they would keep fighting for another referendum? Oh yes - it was Nigel Farage.

So what? Nigel Farage isn't an MP, his party isn't in power, and he's in no position to say what should happen. Of course the result of a referendum is decisive, that's the whole point of having one.

The LibDems should have a counter on their website showing how many hundred people are joining their party per hour.

Tuition fees were always a great big red herring. As pp have said, Labour brought them in. The mistake made by the Lib Dems was to pledge to remove them in their manifesto, despite this being impractical in a country with increasing numbers in HE. In Coalition, they had no option to force the senior partner to get rid of the fees.
I rejoined the LDs after the 2015 election and can confirm they have been campaigning vigorously for Remain. I joined them in the first place when they were the Liberal party because of their support for Europe and proportional representation. They have always been consistent in these beliefs, and have been consistently been belittled by the press as these are not positions they can tolerate.