Lib Dems pledging to ignore brexit vote

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Would they stand a chance? Interesting. DC got in with 11m votes, Tim Farron could have 16m on his side.

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-referendum-result-lib-dems-remain-liberal-democrats-live-policy-stay-leave-a7103186.html%3famp?client=safari#

Is he very passionately blaming other people?

Place he wasn't until they asked a question about Corbyn.

At least he is showing his face - where is Boris? And Gove?

Yes I would vote LibDem after 30 years as a Labour voter if they went ahead with this. Labour better get their ducks sorted quickly

gunting I am very passionate at blaming other people perhaps I should start a party!

Showme I believe Boris is at his family's annual cricket match and Gove is trying to decide who to support in the leadership contest.

Nope - Gove already said backing Boris
Cricket was yesterday. And makes me wonder what else will be priority for Boris to go on the missing list. Trip to the dentist. Rugby on the TV. Couldn't find the white cat he likes stoking so much?

Stroking not stoking!

They are probably busy moving all of their money.

Showme an FT headline said Gove was backing Boris but then the corresponding article didn't actually say that. Has he announced it publicly?

Oh! Remember when the Lib Dems promised to scrap tution fees? Let's ask some 19 year olds how that's working out for them?!?

I voted for the Lib Dems because of that promise, and then last election I, like many others, refused to vote for them because of that reason.

But time has shown that the Lib Dems weren't ineffective during the coalition. The Tories definitely got a lot worse since they were re-elected.

We need to move on. Because we all know who will never scrap tuition fees, and it's not the Lib Dems.

I take your points about the tution fees, I voted for the Lib Dems in that election, hence why I'm bitter.

I was making the point that it is easy to promise things before one is in power (& yes I know they were in a coalition).

Perhaps I should forgive the Lib Dems, it's not like the other party's haven't been up to the same tricks.

I've been out this morning and bumped into our local Lib Dem counsellor as we have a local event on here today. I decided to take the opportunity to harass him.

He said that I was far from the first. He had been grabbed by everyone and anyone since Friday, saying pretty much 'help us, do SOMETHING. ANYTHING.' Including people who he knows not to be Lib Dems.

There has clearly been a lot of pressure put on them to offer an alternative and represent people's views in the absence of anyone else showing any leadership.

I did mention about the problem of being seen as opportunistic and he admitted it was an issue, but also pointed out, if they are being asked and practically begged to make a point of this, they had something of an obligation to do so, although not everyone in the party has been happy about it.

He did admit he doubted it would make any difference at all, but it was something they probably couldn't just ignore either under the circumstances. He personally, felt something of a responsibility being placed on his shoulders about it. Its something of a rock and a hard place.

His point was there needs to be a public debate about this properly as there are lots of issues that should be talked about as a result of the fall out from the referendum and just how untruthful the Leave campaign was, that goes beyond whether we eventually stay in or not.

I'm not sure whether I feel any better or worse about it all afterward, but I did feel better for having got it off my chest a bit.

I don't understand why the Lib Dems got so much criticism over tuition fees. Yes, they pledged to scrap them if they were elected. But they weren't elected wholly - they were part of a coalition. So it stands to reason that they weren't able to fulfill all the promises in their manifesto - that would have been impossible, as they clearly weren't able to overturn the Tories given their position as the minority partner in a coalition.

I honestly don't understand why they got so much blame for that.

OneArt Nick Clegg gave his reasons for voting for increased tuition fees as something like "when you get into power and see the balance sheet you have to work with you realise that you have to compromise on some things", in other words you can say what you like in your manifesto but when it actually comes down to it it's all empty promises.

Boogers Exactly. I can easily see that happening again. If you can't stick to your promises, if you think you can't deliver, you shouldn't make those promises.

I wonder exactly how much research they've done - how many scenarios they've run - how much actual legal checking on what they can and cannot do they've done - prior to making this insane promise. I'll bet they run on it, and if they get into office, it'll be "Ooops! Sorry!"

but it was something they probably couldn't just ignore either

So in the LibDem words, if it was possible they would just complete ignore it then RedTooth and the only reason they're getting involved is because folk have placed that much pressure on them... Absolutely the people I want in charge of a nation in chaos! So much confidence inspired!

Bit unfair really.

I paraphrase the fact that they are damned if they do or don't and they get the blame for the way I say it.

They will be criticised whatever they do. They have been pro-EU for a long time.

I am passionately interested in politics and it took me at least 5 minutes to work out who Tim actually was.

Can I add to the op? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha and as I am commen what utter utter dick heads.

A political party that doesn't believe in democracy?! ... Ta ra...

But the point that if they were elected under this pledge they would have a democratic mandate.

Yes, I do get that Boogers. But I still think you're overestimating his power as the leader of the minority party.

I joined the libdems this morning. I am also a member of the Labour Party. I joined because Tim Farron and Nicola Sturgeon are the only ones actually standing up and you know, doing something. Whilst Boris plays cricket, Gove and Gideon are hiding in a cave somewhere and Cameron has handed in his notice and fucked off somewhere leaving someone else to pick up the pieces, Farron has stood up and listened and decided to actually have an opinion and act on it. The Labour Party are too busy fighting amongst themselves and it will take a lot for me to vote for them again

I think Farrons strategy is to run an election campaign based unequivocally on the UK bring in EU.

If he's successful before A50 is invoked, that will be interpreted the electorate regetting the referendum result.

I think it's quite a bold move, the kind of move the party needs.

Boogers
If we have to keep banging on about tuition fees, can I just remind you that it was the Labour Party that introduced tuition fees? Don't recall it being highlighted in their manifesto. They then promised before an election not to raise them, and once elected with a strong working majority, they raised them anyway. They also set up the inquiry that recommended further increases, which is what was acted on by the coalition government, in which the Lib Dems had a fifth of the votes. And yet to many people, it seems, the LibDems are the only party ever to have gone back on something they said before an election. They negotiated a deal where although the fees went up, poorer students were protected and repayments were related to income so that those who benefited most from university education paid the most back. Most were paying less than before. It was clearly a misjudgment, based on the stick they've been given, but can we stop pretending that it was an unforgivable act that made the LibDems uniquely evil?

^^ implement I was just coming on to say that. Blame for tuition fees lies at Labour's door, as does the collapse of the apprentice system and the surge in university going that requires tuition fees. The Lib Dems are just whipping boys for Labour cockups. However to ignore a democratic vote is wrong, I am shocked how many of us are willing to make democracy some sort of pick and mix affair. That's a very slippery slope.

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