To be furious if this is true-the freedom of movement

[Rebecca2014]

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/evan-davis-newsnight-bbc-daniel-hannan-mep-eu-referendum-brexit_uk_576e2967e4b08d2c56393241

Seriously? majority of people who voted for leave wanted control of our borders, we brought into your story of an Australian style point system now it seems there's still going be freedom of labour movement which is basically the same thing expect they get less legal rights.

I didn't just vote leave for immigration but yes it was a big reason and if I known this, if remain had a better hammered this home I bet MANY leave voters would not have voted the way they did. If anything if this happens, many leave voters will join the remain voters in rage at the lies we been fed. (NHS, Immigration)

I have been a vocal leave supporter on here but now I am feeling pretty scared about what I have voted for. I blame the remain campaign for having an totally shit and ineffective campaign and Cameron should never have been the leader of the remain camp, as majority of people despise him and don't take any notice of what he says.

The way to stop boris is to join the Tory party and vote in the election for the new leader. Time to hold your noses everyone.

Better still, if enough people joined their constituency Tory party, they could campaign for their leave MP to be deselected.

I assume that there will be some sort of introduction of visas for non-British residents and an application process. If I hadn't been born in the UK, I would not be assuming that I can stay unless I was highly skilled and even then, there would not be a guarantee that I could stay for life.

I'm a tory who voted to leave but I really don't want Boris to be PM.
I think he's a very divisive character and certainly won't unite the UK. He will only alienate the Scots more and prove them right in their assertion that the South of England is so devoid of any understanding of the rest of the UK.

Scottish independence will be inevitable if he or Gove are PM.

Figment, only Labour are silly enough to let party members vote on a leader. The Tory MPs choose their leader, not Tory party members so by all means join and give money to the Tories but it does not get you a vote.

Some people, including sadly the likely next PM, seem to be deluded about what deal is possible:

The EU has made it clear that access to the single market requires freedom of movement to be retained.

Without an agreement:

The UK sends 46% of its exports to the EU.
The Germans sends 7% of their exports to the UK
They'll lose a bit; we'll suffer far worse.

Boris Johnson 2013 seemed to understand more:
“If we left the EU… we would have to recognise that most of our problems are not caused by ‘Bwussels’, but by chronic British short-termism, inadequate management, sloth, low skills, a culture of easy gratification and underinvestment in both human and physical capital and infrastructure…

Why are we still, person for person, so much less productive than the Germans?
That is now a question more than a century old, and the answer is nothing to do with the EU.”

Figment, only Labour are silly enough to let party members vote on a leader. The Tory MPs choose their leader, not Tory party members so by all means join and give money to the Tories but it does not get you a vote

You might want to double check on that....

It probably has to be Boris.
Those who voted in anger at their lives would erupt if any other PM negotiates a Norway-type solution, which keeps free movement and payments to the EU.

Boris might even get away with ignoring Brexit.
PM Johnson's first speech:

"Um, I've just been looking into this Brexit stuff a bit more, and it all seems a bit trickier than we thought.
Gove's a fantastic brainbox but some of his ideas are just plain rum.
As for that frightful ass Farage swanking around in his golf club blazer...
So, actually folks...I'm not going to do it. I'm off to the cricket now. Everyone OK? Bye"

would not be assuming that I can stay unless I was highly skilled and even then, there would not be a guarantee that I could stay for life
What of my highly-skilled French colleague - an RG research fellow - who loses his job because his EU funding stops? He has to leave his two British children behind and 'go home', taking his eldest French child with him?

Girlgonewild

The Tory MPs select two candidates and then the party faithful get to choose between them, as I understand it.

In a world of ironies, all of a sudden I find I am hoping for jeremy hunt or worst case Theresa May as pm.

Cross-posting from another thread, because party members may get to have a huge impact in the following months.

There's a 3 month waiting period for new tory members - but things are so up in the air that who knows when there'll actually be a leadership election.

No such waiting period for Labour. There was a big Corbyn majority at the last election, but a lot of those voters are likely to be strongly remain. Again, who knows.

www.labour.org.uk/pages/questions-about-membership
www.conservatives.com/join

And if you want to support a strongly pro-EU party...
libdems.secure.force.com/LiberalDemocrats/NewMemberRegistration

Leadership of the Tory party is now the booby prize

Before launching this disastrous referendum - with no minimum % required for Leave - WHY didn't any of them weigh up the risk of destroying the country vs their chance of becoming its PM ?

The Tory party is supposed to be the party of economic competence and supporting the Union.
Well, that rep is likely to be gone forever .....
Oh, I forgot the British electorate - a few months of Murdoch & posters of scary brown people , then it'll all be the furrin wot dun it.

If Labour go for Brexit in their manifesto, I'll NEVER vote for them again < off to research the LibDems >

I am tempted to write to Teresa May and say don't put your hat in the ring. Make Boris clean up the mess he's created.

Make Boris clean up the mess he's created.

Tempting though that would be, I think we will need to put those thoughts aside and have someone who can be a strong negotiator and a reconciler. May be it will "cometh the hour, cometh the man" as the saying goes, but at the moment, there don't seem to be any candidates for this.

BigChocFrenzy, it was never supposed to happen, and it's not what BJ or Gove wanted, hence no exit strategy. It was just all a stupid bloody intra-party power struggle that has blown up in all our faces. Irresponsible, reckless bastards, the lot of them.

It's what I mean about the risk: Brexit was obviously a possible outcome when there are only 2 choices.

It takes a group of totally sociopathic narcissists to gamble with the futures of 60 million people just in the hope of a career jump

Clement Atlee was wise: "Referenda are a device of dictators and demagogues".

In this case of cowards who failed to stand up to their own colleagues and amateurs who ended up hoist by their own petard.

Just got reminded May wants out of ECHR. Yeah, maybe not her then.

Watching Farage being torn a new one by MEPs made me smile this morning. Not that he cared a jot. If anything shows the measure of a man then that's probably it.

I just had another worry:

I hope we don't get Boris as Tory leader & Alan Johnson as Labour leader fighting an election.
After the recent muddle by so many voters, the electorate couldn't handle a contest between Johnson and Johnson

OH BigChoc that's priceless. Knowing the idiots they'll think they're voting on talcum powder..

Ah yes, once it is narrowed down to 2 candidates it does indeed go to Tory party members to vote upon.

Perigrina

You are right, we do need unity and common sense at the top. But there is a bit of me that wants to see BJ fall flat on his face.

I understand that there's no going back now. It doesn't matter that the referendum isn't legally binding - we were told that if the majority voted to leave, Article 50 would be invoked. It would be unfair to backtrack on that. But what's so frustrating is that if a second referendum could magically be held this Thursday, I really do believe the result would be different! What's done is done, but it just seems such a waste.

I voted leave and don't have a problem with this. Free movement + access to markets, BUT we cease to be subject to all the wider rules and regulations.

Sounds like a reasonable compromise to me. Not what people were sold, but I never imagined that all that crap was true anyway.