To be furious if this is true-the freedom of movement

[Rebecca2014]

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Seriously? majority of people who voted for leave wanted control of our borders, we brought into your story of an Australian style point system now it seems there's still going be freedom of labour movement which is basically the same thing expect they get less legal rights.

I didn't just vote leave for immigration but yes it was a big reason and if I known this, if remain had a better hammered this home I bet MANY leave voters would not have voted the way they did. If anything if this happens, many leave voters will join the remain voters in rage at the lies we been fed. (NHS, Immigration)

I have been a vocal leave supporter on here but now I am feeling pretty scared about what I have voted for. I blame the remain campaign for having an totally shit and ineffective campaign and Cameron should never have been the leader of the remain camp, as majority of people despise him and don't take any notice of what he says.

That's possibly why the Leave bots have ramped up their claims online that we are leaving the EU "to avoid collapsing with it" :
They can't get a trade deal because they can't allow free movement.

The masters of Brexit have to somehow justify the deep economic recession & austerity that they expect the UK to suffer from Brexit.
Trouble for them is, it just looks like belt-tightening in the EU, but collapse in the UK.

I wonder how many years and months they can string it out before they are rumbled.

Meanwhile the clever spinners in the EU are subtlety putting it around that they can wait for article 50 because we are in a massive political crisis the likes of which we've not seen for decades possibly ever. And where there are markets based solely on confidence it's a fantastic play which puts the EU on a less worrying path than us.

Rebecca2014- despite being incredibly frustrated and angry with leave voters now coming out saying they regret their vote, I think the best chance of a positive outcome is going to be reached by leave voters being vocal about their regret. A march organised by and led by regretful leave voters would be the most likely way to get this bloody Brexit disaster reversed.

Even with good will, any new trade deal may take too long to save our economy from a torrid time:

Guardian report on US SecState visit :

"The article 50 talks would cover Britain’s EU exit, including the status of EU nationals living in the UK and Britons on the continent.
A trade deal would be negotiated separately, a process that insiders think would take anywhere from five to 10 years.
The EU side insists Britain cannot have a trade deal until the article 50 divorce is signed and sealed."

So we're looking at 5-10 years if they are not too pissed with us, 7-12 years if they are ?

So we're looking at 5-10 years if they are not too pissed with us, 7-12 years if they are ?

Switzerland started in 1971 and it's still on-going... ten years is optimistic.

I haven't read the full thread so I'm sure I'm not the first to say it but is OP kidding???

Who didn't know that we wouldn't be able to trade without free movement - the EU said it, the leave campaign said it looks, the press said it?

Did you not research before making your vote?

And would you like to explain exactly how EU immigrants are having such a negative effect on your life? Are they better skilled and better able to get a job than you are or are you bitter because they can afford a house that you can't - perhaps you are just jealous of their level of education and language skills??

EU migrants pay in more than they take out. They make up a huge portion of nhs staff and a bigger one of the workers building homes - which means they will become cheaper not more expensive you donut!!

Why would EU be pissed off at us... you mean after Farage called them all useless wankers? Oh yeah, there is that I suppose. (sigh).

What delicious irony.

'Who didn't know that we wouldn't be able to trade without free movement - the EU said it, the leave campaign said it looks, the press said it?'

They did indeed but the phrase 'Project Fear' was much snappier than the plain old truth.

Let's hope the EU courts themselves see some of the stupidity emanating from our leave voters and declare them unfit to vote... I'm only have joking..

I think this is my biggest frustration. all the info was there, people just didnt want to know.

turns out project fear= project fact. I wish I could watch the dawning of reality on the faces of leave voters when they realise there will be no impact at all on immigration.

But we would be able to trade - we just have to pay the tariff - it's about 2.5% That's how we trade with the USA and all the other countries the EU don't have trade deals with.

If it is such a trivial matter, then why are the politicians even bothering to try for an EU trade deal, when they know that means little change to immigration ?
Why are they panicking and trying to avoid taking responsibility ?

Hint: it isn't trivial at all.
They don't want the blame for the coming deep recession which all are expecting.

Because our trade with the EU is much greater than with the US, so the 2.5% will be borne on a much greater percentage of trade.

'we just have to pay the tariff'

Yeah that's all. No biggie!

If it is such a trivial matter, then why are the politicians even bothering to try for an EU trade deal, when they know that means little change to immigration ?

Because all their mates in the city (for good or bad, we all hate the banks but London is the biggest financial centre in the World) and provides a lot of trade, tax etc for UK. They are worried about losing out to Germany.

If you ever hint at taking money off rich people stuff happens - see all the corbyn fear.

we just have to pay the tariff - it's about 2.5%

No, it can be much higher for some important industries

But the main thing is that the UK would have much less access to the services sector, especially financial services. And that's pretty much the backbone of the economy. Out of the single market, the UK finance sector will be fucked, and so will everyone else.

Forgive me if this is a dim question, but am I right in thinking that the tariff is basically a fee we pay for access to a particular market?

If so, presumably we are going to end up handing money over to the EU - but whereas we used to get about two-thirds of what we paid the EU back, as EU funding, we won't get any of this tariff money back - so we will be no better off, and could even be worse off?

Marvellous.

No SDT the tariff is a % of the price we buy or sell something for to that country or group of countries so if we buy French apples for £2 a bag they will cost £2.05 if you buy a Merc. for £50K it will cost £51,250. that's if the tariff is all the same on all goods but we would also have to pay a tariff on all raw materials we imported from the EU but I'm not sure how many of those there are. So it has nothing at all to do with the levy we paid the EU to be part of the EU. We already pay tariffs to all countries we don't have free trade deals with.
Of course I can remember before the EU there was always a big Buy British thing in all the adverts we could especially cars.

I thought agricultural tariffs could be very high indeed, certainly more than 2.5%

Thanks, Corcory - I think I am confusing the tariff with something I saw mentioned on FB about Norway having to pay a fee for access to the single market.

Cocory
I think SDTG was making the following point -
Membership of the EU has a financial cost to the UK in terms of the levy whe have to pay but allowed us to influence policy.

Non-membership of the UK will have a financial cost to the UK if we wish to export to the EU as we will have to pay tariffs and we will have no influence over policy.

X post SDGT I think there is a point to be made about tariffs.

Just wanted to finish with. Rebecca you are not alone. There are many of you out there. Go and involve yourself with any future rallies.

I just read an article that Vodafone are planning to move their HQs out of Britain. Time for the zleavers to start screaming "I never loved Vodafone anyway."