To be furious if this is true-the freedom of movement

[Rebecca2014]

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/evan-davis-newsnight-bbc-daniel-hannan-mep-eu-referendum-brexit_uk_576e2967e4b08d2c56393241

Seriously? majority of people who voted for leave wanted control of our borders, we brought into your story of an Australian style point system now it seems there's still going be freedom of labour movement which is basically the same thing expect they get less legal rights.

I didn't just vote leave for immigration but yes it was a big reason and if I known this, if remain had a better hammered this home I bet MANY leave voters would not have voted the way they did. If anything if this happens, many leave voters will join the remain voters in rage at the lies we been fed. (NHS, Immigration)

I have been a vocal leave supporter on here but now I am feeling pretty scared about what I have voted for. I blame the remain campaign for having an totally shit and ineffective campaign and Cameron should never have been the leader of the remain camp, as majority of people despise him and don't take any notice of what he says.

Not Downing Street, anyway

Come on laugh as you like. It's just a feeling and not the end of the world and I don't follow personalities. Just feel it's not the time to kick yet another person out of an already unstable scene.
But anyway, is the solution a general election right now? I am genuinely puzzled or in shock still or both to think this through.

As I suspected, Corbyn never stopped wanting Leave, but had to pacify his PLP by paying lip service to Remain.
Remember how he immediately rejected the idea of Ref# 2 and said we must accept Brexit.

The Guardian reported that the Shadow Cabinet have rumbled this and they decided he had to go now - not just because they think he can't win an election, but because they know under his leadership that Brexit would be in their manifesto, official Labour policy.

The Shadow Cabinet hope to install a Remain leader, who'd campaign instead for Remain if the new Tory PM calls a snap election.
If Labour then win a majority, maybe in alliance with the SNP, they have a mandate for Remain and the referendum is null & void.

Reports in a few papers, e.g. Guardian :
"Jeremy Corbyn has been accused of trying to consistently “weaken and sabotage” Labour’s campaign to keep Britain inside the EU"

"Wilson said the “greatest betrayal and final straw” for him and many colleagues was evidence handed over by “unimpeachably neutral Labour in [for Britain] staff” that Corbyn’s office – “for which he must take full responsibility, consistently attempted to weaken and sabotage the Labour remain campaign. For example, they resisted all polling and focus group evidence on message and tone, raised no campaign finance, failed to engage with the campaign delivery and deliberately weakened and damaged the argument Labour sought to make.”

This helps explain why Labour Remain didn't mobilise sufficient labour voters: deliberate sabotage from the top

Corbyn & Milne belong to a tiny segment of Labour that thinks the country must hit rock bottom and descend into chaos before the population would accept truly radical policies. New Statesman
Collateral damage getting there doesn't matter. So they are for Lexit.

So we had Boris campaigning for Leave who didn't really want to Leave and Corbyn who didn't really want to Remain campaigning for Remain.

You couldn't fucking make it up.

As a mixed race woman, I am so bloody pissed at a Lexiter on another thread who basically says the blatant racist assaults and abuse since Brexit are acceptable collateral damage
So she's now starting a Mumsnet campaign against the racism she tolerated during the Brexit campaign. Lovely.

I suffered horrible racial abuse & assaults at school in the 1960s that still affects me. I am so sad & mad that little kids now are suffering the same crap, 50 years later.
Collateral damage.
Bastards

You couldn't fucking make it up.

We are British. Nothing is more British.
It is precisely the British way.

Now try explaining British politics to a European friend, in a way that makes sense.

Remembering of course, that how the EU leaders will see us. The likes of the French, Germans, Dutch, Italians etc are not known for saying one thing but actually meaning something completely different. It is something that is very specifically British.

Would you want that to bloody well deal with on a daily basis when you could just be shot of it now. With good riddance. Even if it cost you to do so. In the long run you'd be better off...

I'd be more into BriKick than Brexit if I were them.

It does strike me as utterly ridiculous that racism and bigotry has been unleashed in the country and Leavers think they're the victims.

The whole thing is pantomime. I have to say, it's quite entertaining.

Devilish I don't think even Armando Iannucci could have made this shit up

You have a very black sense of humour Goneto. I think it really is more tragic than comic. Especially if you are likely to be on the receiving end of the right wing backlash legitimised in some people's eyes by the referendum result. It's shocking.

Lots of leavers seem quick to tell everyone they aren't racist (which I believe) but aren't doing much about the racism that is quite clearly coming from their fellow voters.

It's not the remainers giving them a bad name, it's the extreme right wing leavers

Actually, I think the story that straight white people are the most common victims of discrimination has become a very popular myth these days, peddled heavily by the Sun/Mail. My parents love to tell me how no-one can get a job these days unless they're black and lesbian. With straight faces. And anger.

So not a surprise that Leavers are whining about how everyone is being nasty to them.

When the leaders of the European fascist Parties all supported Brexit, didn't any Leavers pause to wonder why and also suspect that racist attacks would increase ?
Marine Le Pen from France visited the UK to campaign alongside UKIP and she's currently flying the Union Jack online.
The German AfD leader said she "cried for joy" at the result: Far right celebrate across Europe

Yes, I think those little kids who'll still remember racial abuse 50 years later are more important than hurt feelings of Leavers who didn't bloody care who their allies were.

It's not surprising Westminster politicians don't have a post-Brexit plan:
Bojo campaigning for Brexit but wanting Leave; Corbyn ostensibly Remain but sabotaging them for Leave.

It's surreal, like a highbrow play about politics that baffles audience and actors alike.
They were all so devious that they confused themselves and have no idea what happens next.

Currently, only Sturgeon is actually formulating policy, rather than a leadership bid

The UK is the laughing stock of Europe, but if this open racial abuse isn't shut down immediately, it will become a European Pariah, like Hungary with its racist regime.
Then try to get a good deal.

Bojo really wanting Remain. Too confusing even to write what happened !

So, the results are in. Boris has a plan.

Less EU bullshit.
More Westminster bullshit.

Everything else pretty much stays the same.

The British public should NEVER have been allowed to vote on such a massively important issue. It's too complex and it's now too late.

^^ THIS

Ok, so Johnson has come out now and basically said nothing is going to change. At all. Probably going down EEA route. Probably.

Now if there had been a referendum based on whether we should go down that route and not EU would have been a whole different matter. But that's not what we got. And what are we left with? A whole lot of hatred and a whole lot of people angry because they're not getting their way whether its leaving/nhs money/immigration/etc. Well what a gigantic expensive waste of time.

Sorry that should be staying/nhs money.... etc
Bojo has me confused too

Strictly I have tried to read the article by Boris but it's just making me angry.

Here's what it says gunting:

"Hi, I want to sound like Churchill. Never in the course of human events etc.

My plan is to stay in the single market, and continue to accept every single rule in it, but to tell you that we've won Independence.

We'll also keep paying our dues of course, but imagine IF we spent that money of the NHS! Just imagine it, cause it's not happening of course.

Also, I have contempt for Nicola's desire for Scottish independence, and would like it awfully if we keep receiving EU grants and subsidies.

Do you see me waving my flag? Independence Day! I'm also statesmanslike. Like Churchill."

I'm surprised I managed it too. No real details about how we're going to do it or how much its going to cost us to, just large rhetoric suggesting we want to stay in the single market but not EU. I did nearly punch the screen at the suggestion that leavers need to accept 52/48 isn't a good enough level - after a weekend of leavers saying get over it their own champion is telling them to

VoyageofDad - did you read the comments under that article.

The one by OOgeth hits the nail on the head:
'Someone should have put billboards up illustrating that the choice was between Brussels and London. And that Brussels has been kinder to them.

Cameron was never going to be honest and say "listen, I don't give a fuck about Ebbw Vale and that's not going to change whatever you vote. Farrage's gang are annoyed that Brussels is redistributing money from stockbrokers to shitholes like this. At the moment you have a pretty good deal, it can only get worse".

That is why Remain lost. If Cameron was to be really convincing that Britain needed the EU he had to admit that the Tories were bleeding the country dry, and that if they were left untrammeled by EU regulation and without the benefit of all the EU funds and policies that have generated work in a lot of the UK the outlook was dim for ordinary people.How could he possibly have done that? Labour of course dropped the ball big time in not reminding people that the alternative to the EU was the Tories suddenly free to do as they please.

Oh good, sounds like we are in safe hands then

Boris is a bloody idiot

Its a load of rubbish there are going to be ridiculous stories coming out until things settle down, this one man talking about this.

It was always a dubious question as to whether we would have to accept it.
But the bottom line is we simply do not know YET, what the lie of the land it. Without a doubt we will have some checks and balances on people coming here.

What do we reckon?

Will Johnson be able to cut a deal with May rather than have a Tory leadership contest?

Osbourne will stay as Chancellor for the time being, until there is a new leader.

Will Gove be sacrificed so that May get the Chancellor in return for no leadership contest, or will Johnson go for the contest and Gove will be his grinning side kick.

Meanwhile George will be moved, in time, to Foreign Secretary, as after all, who wants that shower of shit at the moment? That was the deal Gideon cut, as its a police chalice. Get it right, Churchill, er sorry Johnson, gets the credit. Get it wrong and yeah your fault.

Or will May take on the crown now, so she can be screwed, whilst Johnson waits a bit before he can make a move without having to deal with the mess.