To be furious if this is true-the freedom of movement

[Rebecca2014]

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/evan-davis-newsnight-bbc-daniel-hannan-mep-eu-referendum-brexit_uk_576e2967e4b08d2c56393241

Seriously? majority of people who voted for leave wanted control of our borders, we brought into your story of an Australian style point system now it seems there's still going be freedom of labour movement which is basically the same thing expect they get less legal rights.

I didn't just vote leave for immigration but yes it was a big reason and if I known this, if remain had a better hammered this home I bet MANY leave voters would not have voted the way they did. If anything if this happens, many leave voters will join the remain voters in rage at the lies we been fed. (NHS, Immigration)

I have been a vocal leave supporter on here but now I am feeling pretty scared about what I have voted for. I blame the remain campaign for having an totally shit and ineffective campaign and Cameron should never have been the leader of the remain camp, as majority of people despise him and don't take any notice of what he says.

Chris:
Prior to friday, Brexit didnt exist. This thread got very excited that 'Rebecca' hasnt produced the 20000 page exit plan required to unravel several governments previous agreed contracts around the whole complex, expensive, sorry mess that was EU membership. As I said earlier, it wasnt for Nigel Farage, or indeed any of the Leave campaigns role to do that either. This was not a general election, with clear manifesto promises (that usually get ignored anyway). This was a referendum on one simple question.

Prior to Friday, Brexit had been in the works since about 1973.

It was indeed the responsibility of those campaigning for exit to have a plan in place for the reality of voters taking their word and voting the UK out in the cold, because this wasn't a game.

Exiting the EU is a decision that comes with consequences. To have had no plan in place for that was criminal.

In the article below that a poster linked to on another thread it says that Gove's wife Sarah Vine posted on Facebook today her hope that “clever people” might offer to “lend their advice and expertise.”.

It's okay folks, The Gover's wife will round up some pals on Facebook and they'll help us out of this pickle.........................

www.economist.com/blogs/bagehot/2016/06/anarchy-uk?fsrc=scn%2Ffb%2Fte%2Fbl%2Fed%2Fanarchyintheuk

Cameron should have done the opposite to what he has done. He should have stood by his commitment when offering a referendum, to abide by and implement the will of the people.

So, seeing as you accept this example of a politician not doing what you think they should have in relation to the referendum, I'll ask again - do you (or the people) have any way of making him? They don't. So how do you think the people are going to make the government act on the referendum in the way they thought they were going to?

I think it is clear that whatever you think they ought to do now, they're not going to, certainly not significantly reduce immigration.

the blatant racist assaults and abuse since Brexit are acceptable collateral damage angry

The racism that has been whipped up and unleashed because of this referendum is terrifying.

He keeps saying "we will."

Did he become Prime Minister and whiz over to complete negotiations and sign an agreement when I wasn't looking?

Or is he on glue?

Maybe DC gets the last laugh and his successor really will be left with a poisoned chalice. The prospects for his successor of making a go of the shambles are slim.

All the blithe talk of EEA arrangements forgets that the EU has to agree to it.

Boris Johnson is the most arrogant politician in all of this mess. Out for himself and showing strong narcissistic tendencies. More arrogant even than Nigel Farage, who at 4 am became the official we won Brexit mouthpiece and he doesn't even hold a seat. God help us if Boris does decide to run and win the Conservative leadership contest. He's only out for himself. I can only hope some of the PPs are right that he was not pro leave and he won't trigger article 50. (Nor any other politician).

I apologise to anyone suffering racial sleights and attacks from my less progressive compatriots. DH is European and will be seeking British citizenship. Don't think I can go dual as no longer living there. Shame I didn't have the foresight to do so in the noughties.

No, I would not want to be from NI today. What a joke. All of the thousands of lives wasted fighting on both sides for it to turn out like this. The only person we can blame is Cameron. He was responsible for using the referendum as a sweetener in his manifesto and for calling the election. I like the man and I understand his reasons but I really don't care.

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Thank you spare change. As the hours tick by I'm finding that pic increasingly hysterically funny

Osborne's speech today (Monday) might signal he has done a deal with BJ and Gove.
Perhaps my hopes for Theresa May will not be fulfilled.

I suspected that too girl, shame as I thought she was the best of a bunch of bad options, but actually it may not be a bad thing to have a united leadership at these times - even if all those people are doing nothing but looking after themselves.

Well Boris has confirmed it all today then

"I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be.
"There will still be intense and intensifying European co-operation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment.
"EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.

In the article below that a poster linked to on another thread it says that Gove's wife Sarah Vine posted on Facebook today her hope that “clever people” might offer to “lend their advice and expertise
I thoughts experts were infra dig

I don't know whether to be angry or just depressed that so many people have approached this referendum in the same way as they might choose a washing powder : those same people would probably put more research into where to go on holiday. As a result we are now in a situation which is going to impact us all, and particularly the next generation, for years and years to come. Informed choices I can live with; laziness, sloppiness, fear and xenophobia, fill me with despair.

Exactly those.

Wonderful article Boris as always . A friend commented yesterday the Queen should lock him in the Tower of London as a traitor.

What I find odd is still getting "remain stop whining about a second ref" when I call Leavers out and the backtracking on this and host of other things.

So why did you vote leave?
"Because of concerns over immigration, and our services cant deal with it, and that money is better spent on UK"

But they have gone back all those issues

"That doesn't matter now"

facepalm

EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.

But Johnson can't promise this - it all would depend on what deal would be made.

Indeed, just as he can't promise continued free trade and access to the single market which he also said in the same speech. But, those things go together. And since the choices are, realistically, free trade + free movement or no free trade + no free movement, it tells us what he's planning to go for.

Since the new PM will presumably be either him or Theresa May, who was (just barely) Remain, it's clear that whoever will be doing the negotiating will be pushing for an EEA/EEA-esque solution. Thus, our angry and long gone OP is likely to be in the first wave of many.

And sadly if we do end up in a Norway-esque situation of being in the EEA we will no longer have the power to block the EU from passing laws to hurt City of London business, by say not allowing euros to be traded by London (as has already been threatened in the past). We've lost any protection for the city.

Remain, it's clear that whoever will be doing the negotiating will be pushing for an EEA/EEA-esque solution

I had seen this touted as what might happen, he will come back from the EU blustered and tired - after being "up all night from getting a deal"

It will mean giving up the rebate, not really saving much money, we wont have to apply laws which we probably wouldn't have needed to anyway, no real change in immigration.

People will be crying about "we was lied to I want my country back", Ill get my tiny violin out but i'll be crying as I play it as UKIP will do massively well at polls. As people will be complaining that their spiritual leader/mastermind Farage was denied his "right" to be on leave commitee.

sorry I forgot to add wisapxmas - very important point of no veto.

All the blithe talk of EEA arrangements forgets that the EU has to agree to it.

Quite. There are 27 countries to convince. Some will be hawks and some will be doves. This is why the tactic of dragging things out as long as possible is the only thing that the PM and future PM can do, as time will lessen tensions.

It's such an incredibly arrogant and entitled thing to do, still.

The EU does have to agree to it, but it's in Germany's financial interests. It's also clearly the much better option for Britain economically, and stands more chance of calming the markets than anything else Boris might say at this point. I think he's said the only thing he could, really.

Yes.

It rests with Germany.

There are 27 countries that need to be convinced.
France, Italy, Netherlands, Greece, Belgium, etc will give the UK short shrift.
Germany won't.
Those among the Eastern European countries who will miss British neo-liberalism also won't, but they don't have sufficient voting weight in the Council by themselves, AND they are never going to accept a cap on migration since it's their nationals currently finding work in the UK.

I imagine there are a number of diplomats pulling their pants down in Berlin right now.

It'll probably work. The other countries will listen to Germany, eventually.

I deeply resent Boris talking as if he's already the PM and it's all up to him.