PETITION FOR A SECOND REFERENDUM - 1 million + signatures already

[GertrudeBelle]

A parliamentary petition has been created calling for a second referendum. As I type, it already has 1,061,466 signatures and the number is growing rapidly so it will have to be taken seriously.

I would urge everyone who is concerned about the consequences of yesterday's result to sign it. It only takes a minute. Get your friends and family to sign too.

Link here:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

There's also a map showing the location of the signatories. There are some key Remain territories which don't seem to have picked this up - particularly Scotland and Northern Ireland. Please spread the word. Map here:

petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=131215

In that case then, you wouldn't mind ticking the "Leave" box in a second referendum, would you?

(Though clearly that's looking unlikely)

Would have no worries putting a cross in the leave box again. Don't regret my vote and no one I've spoken to regress theirs. Just because it wasn't what you would have voted doesn't mean it wasn't well considered. I have spoken to more people who didn't vote as they felt their leave vote would be wasted, they might actually bother to go in a second referendum. At least it would be considered decisive then. To be honest I'm more worried about having a general election and people making a protest vote and voting for UKIP if article 50 isn't implemented before then

I've signed. I voted remain and I'm unhappy about the outcome. I don't care if this causes "further social unrest." I believe in fighting for what I believe in and not backing down when it is this important.

Yes but so do the leave side, plus they/we would have the fact that the referendum was undemocratically ignored. That would really stop civil unrest -oh but you don't care about that.

That's fair enough KJJDMB and although I don't agree with you that leaving the EU is the best option for us, that is OK as I respect the fact that you reached your conclusion after careful research and thought. I am sure that many other Brexit voters are the same and although I disagree I respect them for it.

But what makes me angry is the suspicion the this is not the case with every voter, that in many (by no means all) cases they did not consider their choice carefully but just used their referendum vote as a protest vote to lash out against the establishment. I am sure many Remainers cast their vote frivolously too, they are not immune; but as the Brexiters won it is the outcome of their vote which we have to deal with.

This is having massive consequences for us all and I am sure very few voted for the resulting chaos.

I don't blame Brexit voters themselves (apart from those few who voted for racist/xenophopic reasons) and I don't think they are all naive and stupid. I think that many people are legitimately angry and that the 'Remain' campaign was extremely poorly conducted as they focused hectoring people about the risks of leaving the EU (that was never likely to go down well with many people who are suffering under austerity and may feel they have nothing much to lose).

It would have been better if they had instead set out the benefits of remaining with the EU, in terms that connected with people.

I am angry at the whole situation rather than at Brett voters, and above all I am angry at those who handled the campaigns on both sides. I do also feel that in many cases people (on both sides I am sure) voted without carefully thinking through the implications of their choice. For such a critical decision that is just not good enough.

Living life -agree with your post, tho I do wonder at the media/mumsnet view of people regretting their votes, apart from the odd mumpet on telly/coming out on mumsnet I haven't seen any. I can understand why people are upset/scared tho I think it will be better for us in the long run (not saying anyone has to agree, but that's my view), but I think trying to undo democracy is pretty dangerous and people will feel far angrier than the remainders do now. And while I voted out and am happy with the way the vote went, if it had gone the other way I would have accepted it. That's democracy, sometimes you get what you want and sometimes you feel it sucks

Yes that's what I meant too. I'd have no problem with anyone ticking Leave again if they'd carefully thought about it. There were many who were misled by actual lies though. That's my issue with it. Actual lies.

I'm not sure I would expect people to readily accept my decision if it had gone so drastically wrong. I think hubris is a dangerous beast.

Thanks KJJDMB for that. I am not seeking to undo democracy and I don't think this vote can possibly be ignored or disregarded. If we tried to do that, of course those who voted for Brexit would be entitled to feel angry and cheated, I would never advocate that.

But we need to try to move forward in a way that ensures that as many as possible of us can be winners. Democracy was never about 'tyranny of the majority', all of us count especially when the voting gap is so close.

It worries me that many of those who voted for Brexit may have done so without thinking through the implications of what it will mean (sure the same applies to the Remainers too - not suggesting that their voting motives are intrinsically better - but it is not their vote we are concerned with here but that of the winning side).

It worries me that the campaigns may have been based on lies as Sukey points out. Of course in the end it has to be Brexit or no Brexit but it would help if we knew what the plan was to move forward, at the moment that doesn't seem to be one and that makes me scared for my DC future much more than for my own.

The lesson of this for me after this is that things have to change radically, forever, for the better in this country, for all of us. I am just not convinced that Brexit is the way or even the real issue; that instead we should look closer to home.

Has it gone that wrong, Brexit would have always sent us into a recession anyway as it causes uncertainty, looking at the rest of Europe it was probable that we would have a recession before too long anyway. You can't say it's gone drastically wrong until it's had a chance. You are worried, which is fair enough, but it hasn't actually had a chance to go drastically wrong yet

We have just emerged from one recession and a lot of us suffered grievously during that one. I don't want to have to live through another one.

I was made redundant in 2011 from my job of over a decade; that was followed by a series of intermittent temp and zero hours jobs in between bouts of unemployment. I got a permanent job last year which has lasted till now; so at last some light at the end of the tunnel. Then all this.

I have a disabled DC, believe me it is a struggle to get the things he needs due to austerity and the changes in disability benefits. So of course I am fearful.

I am not looking for sympathy here; mine is just an example of what life is like for many people & the concerns we have. My DC will have as good a life as his country is able to give him; if everything goes to pot (as seems to be happening now) then I'm afraid his life will not be very good.

What concerns me is that I feel that this tremendous risk has been taken on for no good reason; that D Cameron went ahead with this referendum to safeguard his position because out of pressure from some of his party; not for some overriding idealogical reason or any popular demand for a referendum but just to safeguard his career. I still can't quite believe that we are in this mess due to political power games. TBH what I feel for D Cameron, B Johnson et al is something akin to hatred.

I sincerely hope you are right that Brexit is ultimately the correct choice and that a few years down the line we will look back and agree that it was the right course, I will admit I was wrong to be fearful. But forgive me for thinking that things are 'drastically wrong' right now. I am more than worried, I am terrified for the future of my country and the people in it including my DC. They are too precious to gamble with.

Living - fair play, good reply

people are still suffering from the last recession as local authorities continue to make cuts to children and adult services.

Oh please. Every election is based on a lie. That's how they win. Shall we just re do all those election. Get over it people. Dave said its done and dusted.

Whomever my husband has spoken to who have voted for Brexit (colleagues, relatives, friends) have either openly said that they regretted their vote or are in grave silence. All European contracts are axed as they are considered too risky, people are being fired so DH's Brexit voters colleagues are very scared but too embarrassed to speak (after all all they cared about was how to get rid of immigrants). Other friends say that the Chinese have already increased their prices and they find it too expensive to import from China. Like many others they were fooled into thinking that it would be the "elites" who benefit from the EU and would suffer.

Now all Brexiters tell DH that they didn't know the full facts, they are not educated enough, they don't understand politics, why did they let such a complex decision to be made by people. The full facts WERE available but the Remain campaign (even lukewarm) were not as loud as the Vote campaign as the Brexiters would accuse them of spreading fear. Now they are REALLY in fear for their future though. But the excitement of getting rid of other citizens because they are foreign was too much to listen to any facts. I have NEVER seen any facts from them in RL and now THEY are in fear along with everybody else. You understand that many of such people would change their vote (now whether this is ethical ...ahem)

I am not eligible to vote so I won't be signing the petition.

Really sorry to hear it choco

May I suggest you paste this on the 'Brexit Casualty' thread as I think it's really important that people have an overview of what is actually happening as opposed to the fantasy.

people are still suffering from the last recession as local authorities continue to make cuts to children and adult services

Or it could be seen as part of the Tories' dismantling the state mission OYBBK.

Oh please. Every election is based on a lie. That's how they win. Shall we just re do all those election. Get over it people. Dave said its done and dusted.

FFS I'm tired of saying the same thing. These were lies made by cynical gamblers who didn't actually want to win, simply to destabilise the "Establishment" (despite being part of that Establishment) and become the next PM/Chancellor. Apart from Farage who's clearly a lunatic. This is not a general election. We can't change our minds in five years and act out another election. This is forever.

So fed up of reading these sneery quasi-cynical "oh all elections are based on lies, get over it". No we're not prepared to "get over it".

Or it could be seen as part of the Tories' dismantling the state mission OYBBK. true Sukey.

Sukey-have you ever wondered outside your own bubble. Have you have ever visited parts of England that are so poor you wouldn't believe you are actually in the uk. All the remainers seem to be playing the part of the liberal thinkers and do gooders. When all the time ignoring the suppression of human rights in the member states. Hypocrites.

Do you know where I live? Do you know anything whatsoever about me, where I'm from, where I live, where I've been, where I've lived, what I've seen? No you don't. So don't make such utterly ridiculous assumptions. They make you look completely foolish.

I live in the poorest part of England as I have repeatedly said during these discussions. The area is, or was I should say, in receipt of EU aid due to it being a recognised area of deprivation as measured on a European scale. Remainers aren't all hand wringing liberals living in Islington as you appear to think.

I have not read all your posts. I'm making assumptions as all the remain voters have been making them about the people who have voted leave.I’ve been called a “racist”, and an “idiot”. I’ve been told that it’s “crazy” and I'm blinded by what's been put up by the leave campaign. Also The money that is being sent to the EU wil be allocated to the poorest areas again once we formally leave the EU.

So actually you are completely backtracking (we've seen a lot of that the last few days). I have not called you any of those things but you decide to have an unwarranted pop at me with some loopy assumptions because someone else called Leave voters racist etc.

Okaaaaay.

And as for this: The money that is being sent to the EU wil be allocated to the poorest areas again once we formally leave the EU, that will definitely happen will it? Because Boris told us so when he came here? just like all the other things he told us were true?

Anyway, moving on....

since the result we have seen nothing but abuse and shame from the remain camp. That hypocritical tone. exactly like your reply to my first post. Yes let's leave it at that.

There was nothing "hypocritical" about my "tone". I was disagreeing with your comment. Which is allowed, I believe. I fail to see how my taking issue with your comment meant that you could draw all sorts of conclusions about where I come from and where I live and places I have seen, and that I live in a "bubble".

If you air an opinion or make a comment you should be prepared for someone to challenge it, and then defend it without resorting to personal insults. Yes people have cast aspersions at the Leave voters (as a collective group) - they have made this enormous decision, and when they have been asked for actual proven evidence and expertise which justifies this decision they have made, they lose their temper and complain that people are being mean to them. This affects all of us. Therefore other people are entitled to ask why you voted a certain way if you say you voted that way.

Of course ther shouldnt be a second referendum.
England lost against Iceland, should they get a second chance to play the game?

This referendum was both more democratic (every vote counted equally) and had a far better turnout than most general elections. It was also a simpler choice.

If the losing side dont like the result of the next general election, can we expect them to demand a second cance too?