PETITION FOR A SECOND REFERENDUM - 1 million + signatures already

[GertrudeBelle]

A parliamentary petition has been created calling for a second referendum. As I type, it already has 1,061,466 signatures and the number is growing rapidly so it will have to be taken seriously.

I would urge everyone who is concerned about the consequences of yesterday's result to sign it. It only takes a minute. Get your friends and family to sign too.

Link here:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

There's also a map showing the location of the signatories. There are some key Remain territories which don't seem to have picked this up - particularly Scotland and Northern Ireland. Please spread the word. Map here:

petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=131215

I do hope those who voted remain for very sound sensible reasons that they believed in are disgusted to be associated with the racist, ageist, classist claims by the remain side.
it is puerile and childish to throw vitriol and insults at those who happen to disagree with you
btw - the online petition is allegedly a fraud - check the facts!

"I do hope those who voted remain for very sound sensible reasons that they believed in are disgusted to be associated with the racist, ageist, classist claims by the remain side. "

There we go again. The Leavers never manage to summon up the courage to say what they mean. Just throw allegations around without any evidence, it's the Leave way!

That's one very large chip you have on your shoulder hullabaloo - I suggest you go and have a lie down to try and take some of that weight off!!

www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2016/jun/26/second-referendum-consequences-brexit-grave

Makes me laugh that 3 million sheep clearly don't realise the petition is not actually for a second referendum!

btw - the online petition is allegedly a fraud - check the facts!

It was also created by a worried Leave supporter....it's been hijacked by Remain supporters though.

This tawdry vote has dredged up disgusting low-life bullies and thugs.

That's rich coming from you

Makes me laugh that 3 million sheep clearly don't realise the petition is not actually for a second referendum

Whatever the wording, maybe it no longer matters, now that it seems so thoroughly discredited?

Who said that it is discredited?

Whatever the wording, maybe it no longer matters, now that it seems so thoroughly discredited?

I would agree - to now take any notice of it Parliament would have to validate every signature on there, and they can't - technically they can't...
it is possible, and pretty easy, to script some code to:

• switch IP addresses
• fill in the form (ignoring the anti-spam traps in the code)
• set up a randomised list of names and email addresses
• pick up and validate the emails back in...

some won't get through, but many will - I believe that it has been commented that it grew by over 1 million votes in c. 20 minutes - that really does sound like a set of bots filling it in...

how Parliament could ever ignore the mandate of the referendum, yet accept and carry out an online petition I don't know - if anyone reads the Ts&Cs of petitions there are several large loopholes to allow the petition committee to ignore any specific petition...

they say they have removed c. 77,000 fraudulent signatories - presumably all those outside the UK - the Pope will be so disappointed - but that doesn't mean, (and they haven't had time to explore yet) the accuracy / validity of the others - if those are fraudulent you can bet that many others are as well...

can't see anything happening with it - if it did, I suspect that would be seen as virtually a declaration of civil war!

Philip Collins of The Times:

Northern Ireland Sec says don't activate Article 50 as "we'll be shut out of important meetings". She voted Leave. Amazing.

@DPJHodges 7 minutes ago

Two Tory MPs have told me if Boris Johnson wins the leadership they will resign from the Tory party and resign their seats.

Who said that it is discredited?

I was going to explain my post, but can't improve on akkakk 's thoughts above ...

'to now take any notice of it Parliament would have to validate every signature on there, and they can't - technically they can't…'

The same could apply surely for any Government petition….are you saying that all petitions should be disregarded in case there are fraudulent signators among them? Should we just scrap petitions altogether?

The petition can't force any action of itself, it merely means that the matter will be considered for debate by our elected representatives in Parliament once there are over 100k signatures; tbh I would be surprised if substantially more than this number are not genuine. There is nothing undemocratic about signing the petition if people wish to do so.

anyone any idea of what -proportion- of the petition is not genuine?

easiest way would be to cross check between the (up to date) electoral roll and the petition. Remove the unregistered names.

I don't think the petition would achieve anything though. it'd have to be applied retrospectively, which is not what the wording asks for.

They have only just said they will investigate it. I doubt they have finished looking at it yet!

They've removed some names already. At one stage it was at 3,200,000 something. Then it went -down- to 3,100,000 something.

Im sure they've not finished no, though.

Ill just leave this link here for you to look over. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36634407?SThisFB

Well once they have looked at it then any fraudulent signatures can be removed. In the meantime anyone eligible who wishes to sign, should sign it.

I have looked at the wording again; it merely states that a 2nd referendum should apply in the event that either the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based on a turnout of less than 70%. It has not been 'hijacked by remainers'; the petition is what it is and anyone (whether for Brexit or remain) who agrees with it and wants to sign may sign it.

Hullabaloo -here is a shocker for you - when you took to criticising my grammar/spelling and how I come across to you (lack of intelligence blah blah blah), did you stop to consider that maybe English is not my first language - no of course you didn't because then I wouldnt fit snugly into your racist and to quote you "happy to spit in Muslim children's faces" voter box.I feel very ashamed and sorry for you.

The same could apply surely for any Government petition….are you saying that all petitions should be disregarded in case there are fraudulent signators among them? Should we just scrap petitions altogether?

The petition can't force any action of itself, it merely means that the matter will be considered for debate by our elected representatives in Parliament once there are over 100k signatures; tbh I would be surprised if substantially more than this number are not genuine. There is nothing undemocratic about signing the petition if people wish to do so.

As a side note - I would scrap petitions, I don't think they are the best way for our democratic system to work - we are increasingly seeing people signing stuff because it goes viral, I think that there are far better ways of influencing how our country is run, including actually getting involved in politics, rather than being apathetic and then signing petitions and quoting numbers of signatures to claim some moral high ground / try to change what people should have influenced from the outset...

Actually it doesn't mean that the matter will be debated - the website is very clear on that matter - there is nothing to stop any MP raising the issue and there being a debate, but for a formal debate to happen as a result of the petition, then the petition committee has to decide to put it forward...

As others have said the petition is invalid anyway as it (by its wording) had to be debated and agreed prior to the vote, not retrospectively - you would need a different petition for that...

I am sure there may be more than 100,000 valid votes, but considering 16million remain votes, even 3million valid votes is insignificant - it shows as I have said above, that over 80% of the remain voters accept the decision as the result of our democratic process - whether they wanted it or not personally - therefore as a subset of the country of under 7% of eligible voters why would 3 million petition signers however genuine be enough to overturn a democratically run election where 33million voted? It is headline grabbing figures, but otherwise has no significance...

and I think that those in the remain camp should wake up to the fact that the UK has burned its bridges now - the EU is very unlikely to allow the UK to stay - and if they did it would be on such tough terms as to make 100% of UK voters wish to leave

And the plan that everyone voted for is....

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/faisal-islam-brexit-no-plan_uk_576fe22ee4b0d2571149cffd?yptr=yahoo&ref=yfp

akkakk - I don't know what on earth you think is so funny.