PETITION FOR A SECOND REFERENDUM - 1 million + signatures already

[GertrudeBelle]

A parliamentary petition has been created calling for a second referendum. As I type, it already has 1,061,466 signatures and the number is growing rapidly so it will have to be taken seriously.

I would urge everyone who is concerned about the consequences of yesterday's result to sign it. It only takes a minute. Get your friends and family to sign too.

Link here:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

There's also a map showing the location of the signatories. There are some key Remain territories which don't seem to have picked this up - particularly Scotland and Northern Ireland. Please spread the word. Map here:

petitionmap.unboxedconsulting.com/?petition=131215

I speak of some of my facebook friends who are old work colleagues: they post constantly about new petitions and updates to the petitions.

One is Slovakian who has been here less than 2 years. You get the idea. He had absolutely no right to vote in the matter and has a vested interest in the outcome and is lobbying everyone to over turn it. He doesnt stop posting.

The rest are other EU nationals with no right to vote and a vested interest in the UK remaining.

Well someone better tell the Government that their petitions (an integral part of the democratic process) are fraudulent and have no value. Maybe they should just ignore them all from now on.

Obviously if they have a vested interest and no vote they are going to lobby and do their best to make sure those who vote listen! Wow - do you think they should just put up and shut up? What happened to free speech?

Obviously if they have a vested interest and no vote they are going to lobby and do their best to make sure those who vote listen!

If Slovakia or any other EU nation had a referendum: what right would we have to say they shouldnt leave so we would benefit from it? None.

1983 as a UK resident your Slovakian has every right to sign the petition.

But no right to vote in the redone referendum Pogmella.

So all these signatures are affecting the data of how may people who have a real chance of affecting the outcome actually want it.....

If there is to be a second referendum as a result of this petition, then this just makes a mockery of democracy. The majority of those who voted, voted in favour of leaving the EU. The arrogance of those who voted remain and utter disdain they they show towards those who voted leave, is disgusting. A second referendum will take time and it will just drag out the uncertainty and instability that is in the UK at the moment. We need to accept the decision that has been made, be positive and just get on with it instead of moaning.

Its a decision with global consequences. I am interested in the opinions of all stakeholders.

Nowwhat - you seem a bit confused about the right to vote and the right to express an opinion. The latter doesn't depend on the former.

If there is to be a second referendum as a result of this petition, then this just makes a mockery of democracy. The majority of those who voted, voted in favour of leaving the EU. The arrogance of those who voted remain and utter disdain they they show towards those who voted leave, is disgusting. A second referendum will take time and it will just drag out the uncertainty and instability that is in the UK at the moment. We need to accept the decision that has been made, be positive and just get on with it instead of moaning.

Quite. What if there is a second leave vote? Best of three? Or will you finally stop?

Are the remainers going to fund the second referendum?

The first referendum makes a mockery of democracy, so it makes no odds.

Dragging the country through seismic change that half the electorate oppose, which cannot be undone, on a tiny majority, is travesty of democracy.

You have got to have a significant majority for a decision of this momentous importance.

Even Farage wanted a second referendum if the result was too close.

A second referendum will take time and it will just drag out the uncertainty and instability that is in the UK at the moment

If we leave that uncertainty and instability will last at least 5 years until the results of leaving are clear - we are not due to leave until 2018 which is when reality will bite. Realistically we are looking at instability for more like 10 years.

If we leave that uncertainty and instability will last at least 5 years until the results of leaving are clear - we are not due to leave until 2018 which is when reality will bite. Realistically we are looking at instability for more like 10 years.

And what if a second referendum is held and the decision again is to leave? No doubt there will be calls for a third. Where does it end?

And what of the instability of staying?

Come on: look at the state of some countries in the EU. Debt laden, record unemployment levels, etc.

The whole thing will collapse eventually and wouldnt you rather be the hell away from it years earlier than the instability of being taken down with it.

Come on then lets see how helpful a second referendum would be: those who voted leave.....

With referendum 2: would you change your vote?

I would not.

Who else wouldnt?

No matter how many petitions you sign, or facebook posts you put up or how angry you get there will not be a second referendum. there cant be.

Its called democracy. its always been there but it seems like some people have only just realised that it exists and we live in one.

How many of you shouting about the result and demanding another vote actually went out and did some campaigning? You know the proper door knocking leaflet delivering type? How many of you are actually involved in any sort of politics locally? Town or Parish councillors, county councillors etc.

if nothing else this referendum has made people realise that politics matter and it is up to them as individuals to get out there and do something about it BEFORE the shit hits the fan.

what is this vote out really about? COMPLACENCY.

Too many people just didn't believe it was going to happen so they did nothing to ensure that it didn't. and this runs from the bottom to the top of political society.

There is a total disconnect between the London labour luvvies and what is happening out here in the real world. People feel completely unrepresented and Corbyn made this all a hell of a lot worse.

don't like what happened? then pull on your big girl/boy pants and get out there and get involved with politics on the ground and make sure stuff like this doesn't happen again.

all those saying "not a big enough majority" well why the hell weren't you saying this on a petition in massive numbers BEFORE the vote. because you were too complacent.

Stop using up your energies trying to achieve the unachievable and start looking at what YOU as an individual person can do to make this work.

this is so symptomatic of the "somebody needs to do..." culture that we live in. its why PTFA's don't get volunteers or local shops close or a whole host of other things happen.

the Somebody is YOU. go out and do something to help sort things out not whinge that democracy has actually been just that - democratic.

Oh for God's sake. No one voted in this referendum with a gun against their head. Lies were told on both sides but the public made up their mind. They had their own free will to choose what they thought was right.

Those who chose not to vote had their chance. The turn out was almost record breaking.

If Scotland and Northern Ireland choose to leave the UK, so be it.

The prime minister has resigned, there's no going back.

Now live with it.

I think that people should know what they are voting for, for the matter to be put to a referendum. Rather than just a rerun of the referendum (although believe there are precedents for this) an alternative would be for Brexiters to put together a detailed and comprehensive Brexit plan and put that to the electorate as an alternative to remaining in the EU.

Things have to change radically in this country, that is the lesson of this chaos. There is no point lecturing people on the benefits of the EU/dangers of coming out if some communities don't experience any tangible evidence of these benefits and feel that they have nothing left to lose.

Let the Brexiters reassure us why leaving the EU will be such a marvellous thing because at the moment I am terrified of the future my country is facing and no, I am not prepared to just roll over and 'deal with it':

www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jan/24/nigel-farage-uk-gun-control-laws-relaxed

Livingtothefull so what are you going to do then?

Sign an online petition - wow that must take, what, all of 10 seconds to do.

Are you joining a local political party? Have you thought about setting up a meeting in your community so that people can get together and discuss how best to support local businesses?

Chamber of commerce? could you join them and do some work there too.

don't be terrified, be active, do something. or are you also in the "someone needs to" camp.

And what if a second referendum is held and the decision again is to leave? No doubt there will be calls for a third. Where does it end?

There needs to be a threshold in the second referendum as there should have been in the first. If 60% vote to leave again then we'll have to leave.

Sometimes countries vote to go down like the Titanic, you just have to leave them to it. In 1933 Germany voted by referendum to leave the League of Nations. It was democratic and it was also one of the biggest mistakes in German history.

Just a thought, but has anyone considered that this could backfire - (if you leave aside the London bankers who can't see past their next bonus), the way the remain voters have reacted to the result with such vitriol and lack of respect for democracy in public and on social media, of which MN is just a miniscual snapshot of this, plus adding in now the fact that Scotland has just been slapped down by the EU and told to get to the back of the queue (they are a nice bunch aren't they?) then perhaps people might rethink their voting preference? Maybe be careful what you wish for. Sadly I am expecting a flaming but would caveat the above by addding that the leavers are also just as guilty of some very questionable behaviour.

time4chocolate I honestly think a lot of this shock has to do with the fact that people have become very complacent and uninvolved with politics as if it has absolutely no impact on their lives.

the suddenly it has had and people react in odd ways when they are shocked.

I also think it has a lot to do with the everyone has to be a winner society that we have created. people have forgotten what its like not to win. all those sports days where everyone got a medal haven't done anyone any good.

the "somebody needs to do " has been on my mind for a long time. I belong to a number of different voluntary groups. some for hobbies and some for doing community type work. the number of meetings I go to where you hear this phrase over and over again "somebody needs to run a fund raising event" "somebody needs to do the health and safety audit" "somebody needs to put up the posters/deliver the leaflets"

people have forgotten that they are the somebodies. I would put money on the fact that the vast majority of people on MN moaning about the out vote did absolutely nothing in their communities to galvanise the in vote.

Let's be clear about the implications of what the EU said to Scotland.

They said effectively that Scotland is part of the U.K. and therefore cannot negotiate special terms. If allowed it would result in separatist areas within countries across the EU clamouring for their own terms.

So, this simply adds fuel to the fire for Scotland to leave the UK, as over 60% of its electorate voted to remain the EU. Then would then be free to stay with the EU.

What did the EU actually do in a crisis? Fuck all.

Greece was dealt with by illegal bailouts and how are they responding to the unemployment and debt crisis over the whole of the southern Med? Again: fuck all being done.

The EU was basically a large centralised bank. If it was named "Goldman Sachs" and not thought of as some progressive, artistic, utopia, many more people would have voted out as well.

The whole EU in the last years has been going from crisis to crisis because of a system that doesn't work. A system driven by capitalist, power hungry, partly unable, partly blind people. The idea of the EU in its origin has been abused and ruined by these people.

I hope more countries follow Britain's example so that a new European beginning can be made... a beginning which in its core is not based on maximizing yields at the expense of the people of Europe but on sanity and humanity.