If you're Welsh and voted Leave, Why?

[Cjamm]

I was really surprised by the Welsh vote, Wales has really benefited from being in the European Union e.g

Swansea University's new Bay Campus was only possible because of the £40 Million from the European Structural Funds which came from a finance package of £60 million from the European Investment Bank.

The National Waterfront Museum, which includes a gallery, exhibition and library, benefited from £3.7m of EU funds when it was constructed.

5.8m of EU funds was made available for Quadrant Intermodal Transport Centre, led by the City & County of Swansea, which replaced the outdated and rundown bus station.

£9.6m EU funds were invested as part of Neath Port Talbot Regeneration project which included schemes to help make improvements in and around the town centres as well as a purpose built Community Enterprise Centre.

1. When you voted did you not care/consider about the financial benefits Wales receives from the EU?

1. Do you think Westminister (that only cares about London/SE) will honestly make up the funds instead?

1. Was it really immigration and if so why? Was it fear of job loss/overcrowding or was it the refugee issue on the mainland. Do you really believe immigration can be capped/slowed down just because we're leaving the EU?

1. The EU army is not a legitimate answer, it doesn't exist & it never will!

1. Are you worried at all? This doesn't mean you regret your choice but are you worried about the economy or the possible breakup of Great Britian? Did you expect that Scotland/N.Ireland might leave because of the vote?

Labour is fractured
Tories don't give a fuck about Wales
UKIP will make big gains from disaffected labour and Tory voters
Do you think they will give a fuck about Wales?
Nope
That's what you voted for

Just read prospective buyers for TATA steel are pulling out
Port talbot voted leave
Morons

And I'm not falling out with anyone btw
I am very pleased that I do not personally know ANY leave voters

Badders I hope you're using the word morons with its Welsh meaning there. Though what you've got against root vegetables to dis them in that way, I can't imagine.

I loathe carrots
but love leeks
😀

Badders maybe if the EU hadn't blocked the option of financial aid from the state being provided to support TATA in securing a deal, then a deal would have been done and dusted by now.

Do you honestly think we didn't know what we voted for?

Yes Westminster don't give a shit about us, do you think we don't know this?

By voting leave Wales has spectacularly shot itself in the foot.
Yes, Westminster has never given a shit.
True.
But voting for a platform which is based on racism and outright lies is not the way to make them care.
No use bleating "I'm not a racist!"
You've voted with a racist and facist group.
The EU has been wonderful for Wales. Major investment. Huge infrastructure investment.
It's gone.
God help you all

I don't understand this. There's more pride being in the fire than the frying pan? Grim determination to get through a different brand of shit, worse than that that has gone before?

The EU sent money to Wales but, in your opinion, not enough. Westminster will completely ignore Wales. Where's the prize?

Wonderful for Wales? yes it's improved the look of our towns, it hasn't provided jobs, housing or school places.

It wasn't a vote for ukip so no it doesn't mean we are all racist.

Shatners it's not a pride issue. It's an issue of being left behind and forgotten about and having 1 chance to make a change. It just shows how desperate people are that we are willing to make a leap into the unknown than carry on as we were.

Those that call us thick, uneducated morons, well it says more about you as a person than me.

Like I said before for valleys towns things can't get any worse so let's hope this is a step to things getting better and political reform.

Sorry pickled are you saying EU money hasn't provided jobs to Wales?

It isn't
And it won't

I'm in South Wales and I'm disturbed by the amount of people around here who voted to leave due to immigration. There is one European family in the village and my DH who is an immigrant from outside of the EU.

Family who voted leave have come up with the reason that it is to take Britain in a new direction and 'see what happens'.

I've told them when it all goes tits up here my family are off to DH's home country.

You've got a short and/or selective memory if you think things can't get worse for valleys towns.
How exactly do you think brexit will improve things? Genuine question.

The immigration thing. Omg I'm so ashamed of the racist and xenophobic comments I've seen. 150 years ago very few of us were from where we live now. That's what makes me laugh! South Wales was built because of the people (read immigrants) who came to work there when it was needed. Irish, Italians,West Indies- so few of us are entirely from South Wales if we go back a couple of generations. But that's been conveniently forgotten. Grrrrrrrrr

loli, no I know the funding has brought some jobs into the area but that's been the secondary outcome not the primary focus.

Badders, you seem very certain. Can I have a lend of your crystal ball? People are homeless, relying on food banks, no jobs, cuts to nursery funding, schools are failing. I am telling you as somebody in the area that the feeling here is things can't get any worse. Don't minimise my views when you haven't got a clue.

Gertrude, I really can't be bothered to go through why I think brexit will benefit Wales again. There are plenty of threads on the subject already and I'm quite sick of being called racist, thick etc. It's attitudes like that that have contributed to Wales feeling patronised and sidelined.

The ironic part is the majority of racist posts over the last few days have been against the Welsh.

I'm Welsh, from Anglesey (North) and I voted remain. I felt so ashamed when the results came in. The pp who mentioned EU money doing nothing for north wales and all for the south, you're wrong. Anglesey receives more EU funding than the rest of Wales. I despair for the future of my language too. Many Welsh language initiatives are funded by EU money. I'm really sad

Every day I thank heavens that my parents [both from Merthyr] left and had their children far away from Wales. Although a fair amount of family are back there now, I am not. And it scares me how racist views penetrate the place these days. Misplaced anger at the Tories/complete belief in the tabloid propaganda has resulted in what will be the complete demise of the valleys.

It is truly perplexing.

I'm amazed that people think cultural and structural improvements didn't bring jobs to Wales.....

What happened then? They signed off funding for the Welsh construction projects and then during the night helicoptered in millions of tiny Lego men clad in plastic EU flagged outfits who built a Coastal path for you all to wake up to in the morning?

Pickled it depended on the outcome of the Fund. I suspect I'm afraid your knowledge is quite limited about European funding to Wales. How can you say jobs are not the primary focus of the new Communities For Work programme or the previous Job Match programme or the Passport to Work Programme?

Loli Patronise away. I was discussing the EU structural funding not funding that was recieved from the EU social fund 10 years ago.

The Communities for Work programme is in its infancy.

Love the idea of EU- uniformed lego men, makes the magic wand i was picturing seem so much less imaginative

I voted to remain, the people that I know who voted to leave, including some family members, did so either because they were swayed by the jingoistic rhetoric, just didn't fully understand what they were truly voting for, or were UKIP supporters.

A lot of those statements that the Leave campaign used to promote their cause now prove to be either downright lies, disengenous, or misleading at best.

Boris Johnson and Michael Gove are conspicuous in their absence, only the gurning idiot Farage has showed his delight in "winning" There seems to be no plan on how to take this forward.

Jobmatch and passport to work are long gone. Communities for work and future jobs fund provide neet 16-24 year olds with a 6 months work placement funded by the eu.

Once again no permenant jobs but us thick Welsh people should just be happy on 6 month temporary contracts I suppose. God forbid we should aspire to buying a house or having job security.

I'll look for the Lego men working on the new road next time I drive down Black Rock (A465). It'll make a nice change from the hi-vis cladded muddy souls I normally see. The banks men and the labourers who have been able to get contracts as a direct result of (whoops) EU FUNDING!!!

Right about Jobs Growth Wales but not C4W. Outcomes essentially are into employment.