If you're Welsh and voted Leave, Why?

[Cjamm]

I was really surprised by the Welsh vote, Wales has really benefited from being in the European Union e.g

Swansea University's new Bay Campus was only possible because of the £40 Million from the European Structural Funds which came from a finance package of £60 million from the European Investment Bank.

The National Waterfront Museum, which includes a gallery, exhibition and library, benefited from £3.7m of EU funds when it was constructed.

5.8m of EU funds was made available for Quadrant Intermodal Transport Centre, led by the City & County of Swansea, which replaced the outdated and rundown bus station.

£9.6m EU funds were invested as part of Neath Port Talbot Regeneration project which included schemes to help make improvements in and around the town centres as well as a purpose built Community Enterprise Centre.

1. When you voted did you not care/consider about the financial benefits Wales receives from the EU?

1. Do you think Westminister (that only cares about London/SE) will honestly make up the funds instead?

1. Was it really immigration and if so why? Was it fear of job loss/overcrowding or was it the refugee issue on the mainland. Do you really believe immigration can be capped/slowed down just because we're leaving the EU?

1. The EU army is not a legitimate answer, it doesn't exist & it never will!

1. Are you worried at all? This doesn't mean you regret your choice but are you worried about the economy or the possible breakup of Great Britian? Did you expect that Scotland/N.Ireland might leave because of the vote?

I think part of it is not knowing any different. For the record, the majority of people I know moaning about 'immigrants coming here taking our jobs' are working, or have worked for many years - they're not all scroungers!

Yes, finding work is tough. The majority of people in the valleys have to travel to Cardiff for work which is ridiculous IMO - there is nothing in the valleys anymore workwise which is bloody sad and could go some way to explaining why the Welsh valleys have a hih level of unemployment. Yes, it is is fair to blame Margaret Thatcher - the majority of boys in my school year who were relatively fit would have worked in the mines if there'd been the option - the option wasn't available to them hence unemplotment rose.

In terms of racism, it's a case of ignorance rather than true racism. Immigrants rarely come to the valleys so people don't have to mix with those different to themselves, and those that do, in my small town, fit the stereotype (the only non white non British people in my town own the local takeaways, a sad but true fact). So when people see foreign people in jobs that they themselves would be happy to do, they get angry. Most people in the valleys encounter those like themselves, and are scared of outsiders - they might baulk at the sight of a lady in a burka (considering they've likely never encountered that before) but that doesn't mean they're racist. It just means they're experiencing something different to what they're used to and are allowed to feel nervous

Valleys girl and voted remain. Just like all the younger generation of my family.

The older generation voted leave. All because of immigration.

Myself, DH and the rest of the younger generation of our family are worried sick about the implications of us leaving and what the future holds for our young DC.

I know everyone has a right to their own beliefs and are entitled to vote how they wish, but it's making me look at these older family members in a different light, that they are prepared to gamble our future on the basis of immigration.

There is a referendum section for this sort of thing.

What makes me despair for so many reasons is the attitude that leaving the EU will somehow stop the immigration of those who are not white, which is what several leave voters I've hear spouting bile seem to think will happen.

Even the leave representative (can't remember who it was sorry) on Today on Radio 4 this morning was tripping over himself to say they never made any promises on immigration and can't in actual fact do anything about it.

Even the leave representative (can't remember who it was sorry) on Today on Radio 4 this morning was tripping over himself to say they never made any promises on immigration and can't in actual fact do anything about it.

Thank Christ for the Scots and Northern Irish, the intelligent people of these islands. But then, they always were.

Oh fuck off to you and your own version of racism. Cheap shot from another dimwit who wants to bleat about the democratic vote.

I'm based by a military camp in wales, many voted leave. Not due to immigration, they were briefed and aware the economy would drop and slowly recover.

From conversation's I have had with many their votes were undecided till the argument of defence and intelligence. Now not the EU Army shait, but deeper, all to do with anti terror laws and europol. This swayed many to leave.

Well given that the Scottish IndyRef 2 is pretty much a cert, it'll be interesting when the UK breaks apart over this.

Then NI links to ROI to get back in and the IRA get what they wanted without firing a shot.

Then it'll be England and Wales, up the tree, K. I. S. S. I. N. G.

I say "interesting" because I'm dual nationality. If I wasn't if use the word "terrifying"

In years to come,when other poorer countries join the eu (Macedonia,Serbia) it's doubtful that we'd have qualified for funds anyway...so we would have lost it regardless

But strangely Wales managed to keep receiving money even after the Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Hungary, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia joined in 2004.

You know, those countries where all the scary people come from.

The US has a higher rate of poverty than Serbia and incidentally there are only 2 million people in Macedonia, what difference will that place make?

I must admit I was completely baffled watching as the results coming in thinking of all the EU help going to Wales. I really feel for the people who voted remain, they must despair at what will happen in the next few years.

Loonie Tooney: Welsh, I take it?

I was surprised at the result until I remembered conversations I had with people last time I was in Wales when the referendum was announced. At the time all the gossip was about 30 Syrian refugees due to be relocated to the small town nearby and how everyone was up in arms because "we would be forced to change for them and not them changing for us". There was also talk of "looking after our own" and "local people's suffering going ignored". I know life is tough in the valleys, but the example given of suffering was bin collections every three weeks. 30 people in a town of 8000. I can't believe that the result didn't have anything to do with these opinions.

The sad thing is that although jobs are still scarce, the area is a million times better than when I was small. They have a new purpose built school and exchange trips for the teachers and TAs all with EU money. They are not going to know what has hit them.

I live in Wales and voted remain , as did most people i know [ naice rural village]
My in laws voted leave { dim old fogeys who live in Llanelli }
so much benefit from EU money here, its ridiculous

Tourist not everyone from dim Llanelli voted like your parents in law, just the same as not everyone from your "naice rural village" voted the same as you.

Terencemagee: racist, I take it?

The Welsh have fucked themselves
I hope they liked the 1980s coz that's where they are going back to

Not all leave voters are racist
But all racists are leave voters
Can't leave voters understand that they will be tarred with the same brush as their racist fellow voters??

Anyone who allies themselves with a political view held by Nigel farage is - by that act alone - being racist
He is a very very dangerous man
There has already been an increase in hate crime and violence against immigrants
To deny that and deny its caused by leave voters is simply untrue and like s child putting their hands on their ears and singing
"Lalalalalala"

I'm North Walian, and voted remain, because the loss of EU funding which has supported a lot of jobs in our area, including Airbus and the Toyota plants, will be catastrophic.
We have truly shot ourselves in the foot. I think a lot of people voted without really understanding the implications.
We are so fucked...

Hobbit
Yep

Daf, i'm not gonna report your lovely PA as youve kind of shot yourself in the foot by not working on your reading comprehension :)

"Everyone i know who voted leave is either stupid or racist."

Hth :)

Nigel Farage is a knobhead, he didn't influence me and will never influence me. Nigel Farage and his nasty party have won fuck all. They are way down the pecking order and food chain of British politics.

I am allowed to vote and allowed to choose who I vote for. I am the same person today as I was before the 23 June. I am not upset with the outcome or with people who have a different view to myself. It's like falling out with people who voted Conservative or Labour or any other party in a General Election. It's uncertainty people are upset with an how it's going to affect them.

Did the UK start with EU membership? What we need is a strong Government who says what they are going to do and no back tracking. A Government who will listen to and stand up for the people they govern. A Government who will use the words this will happen not this could happen. The whole referendum was based on uncertainty.