To not be able to speak to my near neighbours who voted leave?

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My children's future has been put at stake. Our economy risks ruin. Our relatively -well-off neighbours in a place with nearly full employment and very low recent immigration (local care companies and NHS are desperate for staff) have voted leave. They are only around fifty.

I'm gobsmacked.

The irony is that the small business they are in is affected by the growth of China as an economic powerhouse. So why on earth do they feel that leaving the EU gives them more power? It gives them less.

I am so angry and feel so let down by my country. These people, and people like them ahem destroyed my hopes for a continued peace in Europe.

How on earth am I expected to talk to them on an equal footing, knowing what they have done through their own greed?

Popular name in Wales!

Asking you about your Country's reaction is not badgering, it was a question of interest but hey ho

Then you're quite mad emily. I've just wandered back on because this came up on TIO.

The last time I 'spoke' to you (maybe the only time) was an epic thread about the Calais threads about 18 months ago on which you were broadcasting and impossible to engage in conversation about detail.

Other than that, I've only ever lurked and gawped on your rants.

But the PP who commented on the unhelpfulness of this anti-conciliation approach this week is quite right.

epic thread about the Calais camps ^

People were calling me mad last time. It's old. Cobwebs on it. Water off a duck's back.

I don't feel insulted by it. Especially considering what is 'sane' these days.

You can't let those threads go, can you just5? Compassion must really bug you.

Maybe you need to stop accusing posters of being other posters and accept that your posting style has been noticed by a fairly large pool of MNers?

Not saying Farage is what he is and not being clear about what he stands for, which is reprehensible hate, recalling dark times in European history, is not going to be a way forward either.

I don't even know which 'threads' plural you're referring to.

Rishaar I said exactly the same. The way they have made leave voters feel will mean those who don't want to be labelled a racist (because they aren't) will not always tell the truth about how they're going to vote. Of course there are some vile people who have voted to leave and possibly been very vocal, but I'm sure there are the same in the remain camp.

Fascism: I sometimes fear...
"I sometimes fear that
people think that fascism arrives in fancy dress
worn by grotesques and monsters
as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis.

Fascism arrives as your friend.
It will restore your honour,
make you feel proud,
protect your house,
give you a job,
clean up the neighbourhood,
remind you of how great you once were,
clear out the venal and the corrupt,
remove anything you feel is unlike you...

It doesn't walk in saying,
"Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution."

Boris is just as bad, calling black people piccaninnies.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/jan/23/london.race

So, Tony Blair, who initiated an illegal war against Iraq is okay then, judging by your last post Emily? He was a Remain voter and that was a pretty fascist act, some may say. So some wars are good, others not so. How can one tell the difference?

Boris is equally a twerp, I agree. But again, as a democratic country, the nation will have a say in who runs the country. And if they run it badly, then we have the right to object and demonstrate. Thank goodness for our great country. You are running off on a tangent, and expecting really bad things to happen. They won't. I do hope you are not a politician - the world of politics is no place for histrionics.

Emily, you have delighted us for long enough. Bugger off!

I actually have to bugger off, unfortunately. Too many things to do, and I've wasted time on here

I think Emily is in the pay of Farage et al because surely the side to which she claims to belong must be livid with her.

I would be: trying to put my side and then along comes Emily who makes us all look like a bunch of twats, embodying elements that are easy to laugh at.

Whatever 'side' one is on, one would surely have to hope that Emily would be on the other, as it would make it look crazed. If I had a PR agency I would pay her for it.

The nation will have no say if Boris becomes PM.

'You are running off on a tangent, and expecting really bad things to happen. They won't.'

Are you sure?

www.facebook.com/sarah.leblanc.718/media_set?set=a.10101369198638985&type=3&pnref=story

There's been an upsurge pf hate.

The nation has had its say. It happened Thursday!

YABVU A lot of people there age and older remember life before the EU and really do believe everything WILL be fine.
There was a great post on Facebook of Pooh and Pigelt, Pooh asks Piglet which way he voted and he replies that he voted remain, Pooh says he voted out and then Piglet ask are we still friends and Pooh says yes and it ends with Piglet saying good lets go get pissed.
Don't add to the hatred and venom out there rise above it and be better. Treat them exactly as you did before the referendum.

I genuinely do t understand why being part of the EU is seen by many remainers as a badge of tolerance and a lack of racism. Nationalism is on the rise across Europe. France looks likely to elect National Front leader Marine Le Pen as president next year. The nationalist prime minister of Poland backs a total ban on abortion, and her Vice President Said they shouldn't accept any Muslim immigrants "to prevent any Polish babies being blown up". Leaders in Hungary and Slovakia talk about defending a “Christian culture” against Muslims and foreigners. Nationalist parties are on the rise in Austria and Germany. How does membership of a union with these countries make us more tolerant and accepting?

I genuinely do t understand why being part of the EU is seen by many remainers as a badge of tolerance and a lack of racism. Nationalism is on the rise across Europe.

I'd like to know too.

I assume it's the freedom of movement issue and it's such a shame that we couldn't have had a separate vote on that as a single issue instead of relying on exit negotiations to secure it for us.

Agree Artesia.

For me being part of the EU was never a badge of tolerance. I completely understand why people are concerned with immigration, and I also see the argument that free EU movement but limited non EU is excluding in itself.

Where I saw intolerance were when people were tarring all Polish people for instance with the same brush. Or where it was down to muslims, etc. I saw intolerance from people who were intolerant.

What hurts more now is the people defending it with statements such as 'its always been there, suck it up'.

Artesia: I am deeply worried about the rise of the far right across Europe in recent years. It is a massive, and growing, force. IMO that makes the work of international bodies committed to tolerance and peace much more necessary in Europe. The idea that we might say, for example, that Austria is getting too far right so we'll leave them to it is a terrible one. It's like watching someone getting kicked in the head on the street and crossing the road. I'm with Lord Sugar: we need to lead, not leave (although that view was defeated by a slim majority on Thursday). Whatever our future relationship with mainland Europe ends up being, ignoring fascism and far right extremism will damage everyone - ourselves included. 'No man is an island', whatever Churchill said about the open sea.