To not be able to speak to my near neighbours who voted leave?

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My children's future has been put at stake. Our economy risks ruin. Our relatively -well-off neighbours in a place with nearly full employment and very low recent immigration (local care companies and NHS are desperate for staff) have voted leave. They are only around fifty.

I'm gobsmacked.

The irony is that the small business they are in is affected by the growth of China as an economic powerhouse. So why on earth do they feel that leaving the EU gives them more power? It gives them less.

I am so angry and feel so let down by my country. These people, and people like them ahem destroyed my hopes for a continued peace in Europe.

How on earth am I expected to talk to them on an equal footing, knowing what they have done through their own greed?

And I know you were being extreme, I was just unnecessarily sharp in my reply, I'm sorry Clara

I am finding it hard to be normal around people I know voted Leave, esp when I know they did so on the basis of pretty racist sentiments. I am just lying low until I I know I will simmer less angry. There's no need to say anything - they were free to vote the way they wanted to and sometimes democracy means someone will vote a way you think is just plain wrong. I know I will simmer down in a couple of days and there is no point starting a row now the referendum has taken place. I do know how you feel though OP

How pathetic OP u think there xenophobes cos they voted leave. How utterly utterly pathetic. Get a grip

It's fine Mango, though very nice of you to come back and say that. I just think I didn't make my point very well as no one has responded to what I intended to say.

To a lot of people voting for Brexit is just as extreme an act as voting for Trump would be. As an American in England, I can't help notice that the only foreign leaders who support Brexit are Trump, Putin, and Le Pen. These are people I don't want to find my friends sharing opinions with.

Clara, I've a mix of remain & leave voters as friends, on my FB & real life.

I have been pleasantly surprised by the reaction of all tbh - those that have expressed their elation or disappointment have also said that they still respect the views of others and have said that a positive approach is the best way ahead from now.

MN on the other hand has left me exasperated with the hysteria & nastiness.

There are clearly some absolutely appalling people who have come out with horrendous racist & xenophobic attacks but I believe that most of the 52% are perfectly reasonable & rational.
They voted leave to detach from Brussels' rule, and to regain our political & economical autonomy; wrt immigration, they think it's a good thing, but with limitations - ie if your skills are required and you've a job to come to then great, and to have control over numbers if a brake is required or not (something the EU would never have allowed if we stayed in).

I don't like Le Pen et al either, but these are the people who rise to power when the electorate are disaffected and ignored - I believe that had we continued in the EU these extremist views would have flourished even more alarmingly in this country, rather than the low level vocal minority that we have at the moment.

Anyway, I really do apologise for being snippy about your post, it was not nice of me to do that.

retrorobot wow. One person packed full of so much stupidity and hatred. Sucks to be you I guess .

Mangomoon well written and spot on unlike certain people who shall remain nameless retrobore

Alconleigh - I've noticed your post linking the guardian report about ebbw vale has been removed and also my post to you. Did you ask for this to be removed?

How can I find out why a post has been deleted ? I can't see that anything written was breaking talk guidelines.

I feel the same, I don't think it's unreasonable at all.

This is one of the most stupid things I've ever read. Yes, you're being unreasonable. Your being many things that I shouldn't say. What makes you think your neighbours voted out 'for their own greed'?
I voted out, not because of my own greed but for my daughter and future generations.

I'm a leave voter, I wouldn't consider myself a small-minded xenophobe and am pro-immigration. I don't think the free movement helps us as a country but I would welcome more immigration from other areas, particularly to fill skill shortages.
If someone wanted to never speak to me again based on my vote, I would thank my lucky stars that an extremely small minded and petulant child was no longer in my life. People have their own opinions and agendas and if you can't respect that, it's very concerning if you're over the age of about 10. Toys really are being thrown out of the pram everywhere. Please get a grip!

I'm with you. Can't bring myself to talk to anyone who voted to leave.

YANBU

We are a democracy and every eligible voter had a duty to vote what they think was best for this country. If they made their choice having fully researched the facts and making themselves familiar with the history of the EU and how it works fair enough.

Unforyunately, Judging by the press reports, it seems very few on the leave camp fall into that category.

Nope you are not being unreasonable. I would not speak to thrm either and I have come across many others who feel the same. The Brexiters came like a thief in the night and stole my and my children's future and I will never forgive anyone who had a part in that. I don't think people will get over it or that it will settle down. It is a seismic shift. I know people who have lost jobs, based on EU funding, already over this others have theirs on the line. Increased reports of people being openly racist, Polish schoolkids being told they are going home. On the other side a scramble for Irish passports and thank the lord I am entitled to one. OP I don't blame you at all.

Lookingformarypoppins Unforyunately, Judging by the press reports, it seems very few on the leave camp fall into that category.

Oh really and they have spoken to 17 million people to confirm this fact? Moronic and arrogant yet again

I think it's fine to be upset and angry OP. It's a massive decision that's been made and the uglier side of it is pretty horrific. If I felt I couldn't talk normally to someone I would avoid them for a while. I am angry at the Leave voters because so many people seem to be saying it was a protest vote/didn't understand consequences and that it has just been a huge enabler for people to do and say racist things.

What is this 'stealing children's future'? Do you have a crystal ball? What happens if it was a good move in the long run? You can't possibly know.
People voted leave for their own reasons, and it just so happens they didn't agree with the same politics as you. Yes, it's going to be bumpy, but the way it was going, the EU was declining in success anyway. You have no idea of the trade or work deals that will be struck, so I suggest you might want to take a breather, not get so bitter and stop talking your country down. I was 'in' by the way.

Judging by the press reports, it seems very few on the leave camp fall into that category.

Wow you know the 17million people that voted leave.

You also must know the 16million that voted remain to know that their choice was thoroughly researched all the facts and there were no daft reasons at all.

Yes, us Leave voters didn't vote with our kids' futures in mind at all. We are that thick. I voted Leave for a bit of a giggle.

Or maybe I thought really hard and decided in ten years time, we would look back and be grateful we managed to jump a sinking ship.

I would be so upset to lose someone ike you as a friend OP. You sound like a really good loser.

yabu Im sure they didn't vote just to annoy you or anyone else. How about anyone who wants the eu that badly goes off to live there because I seriously don't think they will be happy or reasonable otherwise.

Oh and on the main point of your thread. The far right is gathering pace across Europe precisely because the general population are so pissed off with the EU. Look at the history of Europe. Le Pen isn't around because the French are chuffed. Look at the recent Austrian elections.

Be glad we managed to stop them in their tracks.

I feel like this about my family. DH is French and my mother was upset I gave her short shrift to her jubilatory text. She's a really nasty narcissist so I divulge nothing on my views about anything so being a narcissist she had no idea I would vote remain. Brother and his wife voted out and I assume mother voted out by proxy for her husband, who is in a nursing home on a feeding tube/catheterised, unable to move or speak with a degenerative disease. They're very comfortably off even though his care bills are depleting a few savings.

I feel all my family sent us under the bus because of our personal circumstance. DH will now apply for British citizenship. Sadly being a European citizen I didn't see the need to apply for French citizenship 12 years ago when we lived in France and from reading the rules I don't think I can get it now. Basically therefore my DD will be able to go and live in France when she's older and maybe I won't be able to follow if heaven forbid DH dies or we divorce. So I'm very fearful of that scenario.

I'm very angry with my family. And I'm very angry with the people, who are regretting voting leave. Anyone else who did it from informed decisions and beliefs that's fine by me. I'm also tearful but being upset with neighbours, no. They did what they did and I have no influence over them or their decisions. People, whose views I care about and am friends with voted in.