To not be able to speak to my near neighbours who voted leave?

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My children's future has been put at stake. Our economy risks ruin. Our relatively -well-off neighbours in a place with nearly full employment and very low recent immigration (local care companies and NHS are desperate for staff) have voted leave. They are only around fifty.

I'm gobsmacked.

The irony is that the small business they are in is affected by the growth of China as an economic powerhouse. So why on earth do they feel that leaving the EU gives them more power? It gives them less.

I am so angry and feel so let down by my country. These people, and people like them ahem destroyed my hopes for a continued peace in Europe.

How on earth am I expected to talk to them on an equal footing, knowing what they have done through their own greed?

Don't fucking swear Mango, you chav England is obviously full to the rafters with football hooligans. Retro you really are coming across as being out of control.

Scum now. Goodness gracious me. Are you about to combust?

that's the language that MangoMoon uses and that's a sign of the scum English chav.

Haha!!

Yep.
Am totes a scummy chav.
I'm actually a single mum on benefits too!

The really funny thing is that I've had a terribly successful career, from which I now have a decent pension which has allowed me to go back to university to retrain in a new area.
And the govt is paying for me to do it! Fees & everything!

I'm such a chav....

You're not 'explaining" retro you're ranting.

She's funny Beetroot!
So successful in life that she needs to come into an anonymous forum to slag folk off.
I bet she's dead popular at work....

Im not really getting what you mean retro, you are talking tiny numbers of arseholes? On the whole, no England doesn't have a problem with soccer hooligans because out of a stadium full of people there is a small fraction of twats but that happens the world over. Twats live everywhere and are thankfully in the minority.

Perhaps you could manage a post without bigoted sneering retrobot?

Now that would be progress!

Im not about to take every sentence you say and give an agree/disagree statement on it. I don't have the time nor the patience. The essence of your posts are very disagreeable though.

Oh give it a rest retro. People who shout bigot are worse.

100's ? Yours also very wrong about English labour. A high percentage of companies that employ labour from Europe know they can manipulate and pay less.

*you're

OMG. Mass can be exploited by large companies, does it matter where they came from. The crux is "people can be exploited" when there are more workers than jobs. This has happened in the UK. It's happened to the working class not the upper, they benefitted. But a country is about people not the elite. The vote was the right one.

Anxiety of Europeans living here is real. They feel unwelcome. My German friend who I saw last night has lived here for years. She owns a house here. She feels now like she doesn't belong here, she was in tears for most of the day. Another friend who is Dutch says he will leave. He now feels that Britain hates foreigners. It's a sad time for these thousands of people who contribute to our society. I also know several former refugees originally from former Yugoslavia. Been living here for over 20 years. How do they feel today?

Thank you, Majestic.

Many posters here voted Leave for honourable reasons. It's a democracy. But votes have consequences, and one of those consequences is increased insecurity among many immigrant and mixed families.

Please have the decency and compassion to acknowledge their fears. They are real. And if your family is lucky enough to have lived on the same island for generations, you won't understand the fears of families who didn't. Who were tossed about by the currents of history, of wars, persecution. Whose family histories predispose them to feeling vulnerable when something like this happens.

Others uprooted themselves once, they're understandably upset at the daunting prospect of rebuilding their lives in a new place for the second time, often older, with children in tow.

Op, I know similar streets, similar schools, it's not hysteria, it's real fears. People do know neighbours, and you couldn't miss how many voted - streets were full of 'no' stickers (and not a few posters). Of course older kids pick up on the news - snatches of telly, newsagent headlines, campaign posters... they don't live in a vacuum. Don't blame parents for scaring their children. Maybe they didn't think to have 'the talk' in advance, but it wasn't so obvious that Brexit would win.

All those posters telling the Op to get a grip. Perhaps you could get some compassion.

Its a brutal message but one that will hault this being seen as the land of opportunity. There is none. Look to making your own country thrive rather than leave.

I don't really understand the attitude of: "Everyone has different opinions; that doesn't affect our friendship." Where do you draw the line?

All you people who are berating the OP: suppose you were living in the US and you found out your neighbour was an ardent Trump supporter, who believed in every toddler's right to carry an assault rifle to defend himself against "gays" and out of control Mexicans and black people...

Would you be equally open minded?

Somebody who believes:

"in every toddler's right to carry an assault rifle to defend himself against "gays" and out of control Mexicans and black people..."

is a completely and utterly different situation to someone who voted to leave the EU.

To compare the two is barmy, and slightly hysterical.

Mango I thought it was obvious that I was just being over-the-top in my description of normal right-wing Americans.

Lots of nice friendly Americans are going to vote for Trump and are against gun control (yes you are right I was clearly using hyperbole in my description of what the effect of not having gun control has on the US).

To most people in the UK this American attitude is incomprehensible, and clearly wrong. It is probably a reason to look askance at anyone who holds such opinions.

Lots of people who think the OP is absurd to view her neighbours differently because they voted to leave the EU would not be so open minded about neighbours whom they discovered to be supporters of Trump.

I am just commenting on the idea that it is "hysterical" to not be accepting of other people's opinions. We all make judgements on other people's opinions all the time.

They voted to leave the EU.

This is not in itself a reason to look askance at someone.

Had they been whooping it up shouting racist slogans & being generally offensive in their reasoning for their vote then any decent minded person would cut them off or take them to task.

If they are part of the millions who voted leave for the myriad perfectly reasonable reasons that have been repeated ad infinatum across MN and in rl then there is really nothing of concern in my mind.