To be apppalled by the remain camp attitude

[Rebecca2014]

On my FB feed, social media, TV we are being berated for voting leave, we are being called racist, thick, uneducated, stupid, poor, peasants, benefit scroungers...the list goes on. There is even an petition now to have another referendum because obviously the leave camp know absolutely nothing.

Boris Johnson was whisked away by the police when he left his house this morning as protesters were ranting at him, banging on his car. How is this democracy? why does it only run one way? Yet you cheer at this act of aggression.

I would understand if the vote was closer but it was not close, leave won by well over a million votes. Why cant you accept the results and look for a way forward together, why have a "me vs them" attitude.

NowWhat1983 I totally agree with you. I didn't expect Leave to win.. I thought we would lose narrowly.

Had Leave lost we would, as you say, have been disappointed and shrugged our shoulders. If Remain had won I have no doubt that Geldof, Cumberbatch, Izzard, Thompson and the rest of them would have been on the boat, quaffing Champagne, and being scathing about "Little Englanders". At least we have been spared that.

And that's so important here. FfS

No one knows what would have happened had we stayed either.

The EU was basically a large centralized bank. If it was named "Goldman Sachs" and not thought of as some progressive, artistic, European utopia, many more people would have voted out as well.

Needless of what anyone believes the motives of those voting out were or are I think we need to chill a little. We haven't just voted in the nazi party, we aren't building a huge wall around the country, we aren't refusing to take in immigrants or refugees. All we have done is take back the governance of our country from Brussels. We decide ourselves for ourselves. It doesn't mean we are suddenly evil or less compassionate than we were yesterday.

I tried to draw people's attention to the fact that there was no threshold.

If I'd started a petition I don't think many would have signed because there was a general assumption that were enough intelligent people in the country who understood the consequences of Brexit to be sure of remain, despite the polls. (Which were very inaccurate with Scotland). I was very wrong. And I underestimated the ignorance of the populace.

David Cameron made it very very clear that if the UK voted to leave the EU, that was it, there was no going back

That's because he was sure we would remain. He only called the vote to shut the Eurosceptics up in the party. According to the Downing Street insiders he already had his speech planned for the day after the vote.

The thing about the 'expert' opinion of economists is that everything I've read is about the short term. I believe that in the short term things will be hard, but no one knows what is going to happen long term.

You think all those leading economists only looked at the short term

How can they possibly know what will happen long term?

And why put 'expert' in sceptical inverted commas?

Well they probably have a much better idea than non-experts

I doubt anyone saw less than 1% base rate coming.

We haven't "taken back governance of our country": if we wish to trade with EU nations we will need to continue to accept its rules, with even less influence over them.

Exactly dozer . Exactly. We will just have to accept whatever terms we are given now. We have less control, not more.

I don't think we realised quite how many turkeys were gullible enough to vote for Christmas

There were plenty more wonderfully intelligent and educated Remainers who didn't bother to go out and vote at all....why not spit your venom at them?

Complacency lost you the decision.

Totally agree greenish ...they are equally culpable if not more so. It was depressingly complacent campaign which didn't try to speak to the people who really needed to listen

The "turkeys" comment isn't venomous. It's a profoundly compassionate one. My heart has been breaking watching the poorest and most vulnerable in the country voting for an option which is likely to make them far worse off.

DEMOCRACY - whether you agree with decision or not - just be glad we have it and be respectful of everyone's right to cast a vote as they see fit.

I don't know any Remainers who didn't vote. But I don't deny that Cameron was as complacent over Brexit as he was over Scotland. I didn't vote for him as I could see he was a lazy entitled twat.

I don't think it will go ahead anyway. I reckon no one will invoke article 50, it will be shelved and the EU will fudge a deal with us as associated members. Cameron has left it very firmly for his successor to deal with and Boris never wanted to come out. There will be some very dodgy political horseplay.

As for the OP, there is some really nasty social media tweets, fb posts etc about blatant racism. Not all leavers are racist but this vote seems to have given racists the idea that BRexit now makes it acceptable which it most definitely is not.

Surely you understand what economics is? It uses models to make predictions. In the long run too much is unknown to be able to do this. Experts in '' because of the nonsense we were pedalled 'house prices will go down 18%' oh do behave only one thing is certain is that the figure is wrong. But in the short term it is going to be bumpy/ there will be a recession as has been predicted.

won't permit a comment suggesting that the stupid, the idle and the feckless English are responsible for their own problems

Maybe they deleted it because it makes you sound like a racist?

Maybe you are?

I've been trawling through these threads looking for someone from the leave campaign telling me how we are now going to get out of this black hole they have just pushed us in.

How will we manage when it comes to medical research? Where will our energy come from? Why did they vote for someone like Gove who managed to ruin the education system? We are now en route to an isolated small country with a privatised education system and NHS.
Perhaps the message will sink in when cheap holidays, tobacco, booze, food from EU supermarkets dries up or their family members suffer from a disease. But never mind, the Welsh can open up the mines, burn all those signs saying funded by the EU. We can all go back to the halcyon days of the 1970s and can be openly racist, sexist and homophobic and we can all sing Rule Britannia, whilst we light our houses with 100W bulbs.

Andypandy just on the flipside how were we going to thrive long term in an EU with countries up to their eyes in debt and high levels of unemployment......? Neither option is anywhere near perfect.

Cameron didn't care about Scotland. I wouldn't mind betting that even if the Government manages to pull off a deal to remain within the EU, that Scotland will probably vote to leave anyway. So whatever happens, I would be extremely surprised if we didn't see the break up of the UK.

At least being in, gave us a voice which we no longer have. You can attempt to reform from within. I voted remain to give my children and grandchildren the chance to travel, mix, learn about other cultures and to benefit from the collaboration of others, e.g. science, medicine, technology etc.
Now we look to the rest of the world like a country of racist idiots. If people were so dissatisfied with the government why did they not vote in the GE? They certainly found their feet for the referendum. It's like using a sledge hammer to crack a nut. By the way, on the flip side, what's your answer or are you a politician?

Am I a politician . No, I can just see both sides and the opportunities and issues each way. FWIW I voted remain but tbh that now is immaterial as the majority of the voters didn't.

The interesting thing imo is arguably the EU is a racist institution because it discriminates against the rest of the world. We need to start working in agreeing trade deals with those countries that the EU is going at a snail's pace on. And in terms of voice in the EU our voice was ineffective so pretty pointless some might say.