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to think the Remainers aren't going to take this lying down and we won't leave

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SybilEngineer · 24/06/2016 10:02

A million plus more people voted leave than remain but still over 16 million voted in. And many of the people this will affect - the under 18s - didn't get a say.

The majority of our elected representatives want us to remain as does our capital city.

The EU wants us to remain and once the leaders have stopped throwing their toys around they will realise they need to reform the EU and make changes that will keep UK and all the other eurosceptic people in.

Today has been a body blow for us remainers but, we're shot of Cameron, so we can re-group and start the fight to remain in the EU but with changes that much of Europe wants.

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tiggytape · 26/06/2016 23:26

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noblegiraffe · 26/06/2016 23:43

Have you seen the bullshit article Johnson just published in the Telegraph? A work of utter fantasy.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/i-cannot-stress-too-much-that-britain-is-part-of-europe--and-alw/

Him for prime minister? We are doomed.

gunting · 26/06/2016 23:47

Noble I couldn't read the article, it made me too angry. I have seen a summary of it though, what a load of shite.

merrymouse · 27/06/2016 06:52

And it's the remainers who are supposed to be out of touch with the wishes of ordinary people?

engineersthumb · 27/06/2016 07:49

I expect Britain to receive a bashing for not activating article 50 soon but I also think that it is imperative that we do not do so. Ok negotiations aren't binding, that's usually the case untill a contract is signed.
I am firmly in the remain camp so this is me trying to hang on. However if you held the referendum today I belive that the result would be very different. The stupidity of the brexit brigade has already been demonstrated by the back peddling their own leaders are currently doing. How people could be so easily duped shocks me. The only way I can explain it is that people felt angry and wanted something to blame, they were given the EU and it was easier than thinking. Unfortunately they sold my country and my children's UK future down the river. Now we must seek with the mess and limit the damage, and if that means weathering the storm wreaked by notactivating article 50 so be it. Remember there is no formal way we can be expelled.

BeckerLleytonNever · 27/06/2016 16:42

watching the news and parliament and for 1stime EVER am agreeing with Cameron. and HEs'saying ACCEPT IT!

and Osborne.

VoyageOfDad · 27/06/2016 16:47

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HappydaysArehere · 27/06/2016 20:28

I just want to cry, cry and cry. The very people who voted because their lot wasn't good will be the ones that will suffer even more. Mantras and platitudes swallowed by so many people.

engineersthumb · 27/06/2016 20:43

Let's face it we need to play for time. Exit from the EU is disaster and just because 35% of the eligible voters are idiots is no reason to peruse it! We jaw jaw then if we must we go to the pols to vote on article 50. Am I a bad looser.... I'm just trying to save my country groom the rule of the ignorant.

bcwk1104 · 27/06/2016 21:00

Fantasy from Johnson and tosh from Iain Duncan Smith on the Andrew Marr Show. On being questioned about giving £350m per week to the NHS IDS said "we never made any commitments. We just made a series of promises that were possibilities". And if you want to see an extraordinarily gobsmacking U turn (or "clarification" of what the Leave campaign actually meant) then watch Dan Hannan on Newsnight (sorry unable to paste the link - but it is on the BBC News website).

The politicians can dither all they like about when to trigger Article 50 - but as far as businesses and investors are concerned the clock is already ticking - they will/are not hanging about - they are making their plans (seems that some had already put a 'plan' together, just in case... (unlike the Leave politicians) - and many of them will move elsewhere.

engineersthumb · 27/06/2016 22:02

Bcwk
you are no doubt right, a good deal of damage is already done. However, it's not too late to prevent exit and the resultant slide into insignificance and economic ruin.

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merrymouse · 28/06/2016 07:51

Businesses won't recruit here or make plans to come here until they know what form our Brexit will take.

I think this is the key point, whatever the FTSE indexes are doing (and many of the companies they include have operations outside the UK anyway). It's all very well talking up the British economy, but we are part of a global economy that relies on actual foreign investment in factories and headquarters and employees, not just shares.

Realistically, what kind of business is going to invest millions/billions in the UK without knowing what that means?

wowfudge · 28/06/2016 08:10

Urgh - I thought my sadness and anger would dissipate with time. If anything they are increasing. 37% of the electorate decides to take away my European citizenship and everything that goes with that and Boris thinks Leavers can give me a cuddle and it'll all be okay. He is a disgrace. A self-aggrandising, dangerous man with no plan now.

The implications of Brexit are so wide-ranging and damaging it is hard to believe anyone truly thinks it's a good idea.

engineersthumb · 28/06/2016 08:13

Wow
I agree entirely. Let's hope we can cling on and prevent the even worse scenario of actual exit.

WeekendAway · 28/06/2016 08:21

I don't understand that comment about not speaking in English any more. It's not like tha average Hungarian speaks Flemish or that all Germans speak Romanian, is it? English is still most likely to be the most common language between them all as the one they find most useful collectively.

ChardonnayKnickertonSmythe · 28/06/2016 08:25

It's called cutting off our nose to spite your face, Weekend.

It's an epidemic out there.

tiggytape · 28/06/2016 08:29

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wowfudge · 28/06/2016 09:38

That was one French mayor on Twitter. The fecking DM has reported that so on first glance it appears the French as a whole are behaving like that. The DM should burn in hell for its role in this debacle.

wowfudge · 28/06/2016 09:42

It also struck me this morning how everything was on a knife edge last year when Grexit was on the cards and the likely effects on the EU and the U.K. were discussed. All that seems to have been forgotten with the jingoistic madness of the Brexit campaign.

At least the Greeks realised they had brought their economic woes on themselves and the only way out of their mess was to accept the EU austerity measures.

Basicbrown · 28/06/2016 19:06

At least the Greeks realised they had brought their economic woes on themselves and the only way out of their mess was to accept the EU austerity measures.

But I thought the British economy was doing amazingly well in the EU and we were fools to leave.....? What 'economic woes' are we on about exactly?

Basicbrown · 28/06/2016 19:11

The implications of Brexit are so wide-ranging and damaging it is hard to believe anyone truly thinks it's a good idea.

There are several perfectly rational reasons for wanting to leave. The potential for trade elsewhere, the regaining of national sovereignty and the mess the EU is in for 3.

The 37% thing is nonsense because more. 50% of those who voted voted for Brexit. Would you prefer that we didnt have democracy? It just beggars belief.

Basicbrown · 28/06/2016 19:11

More than Hmm

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/06/2016 19:12

Are you sure about the Greeks, wowfudge?

Last time I looked, many of them were blaming the nasty, nasty EU for imposing austerity on them - and this after "celebrating" their admission by going on a spending spree which would have put a bunch of drunken sailors on shore leave to shame