to think the Remainers aren't going to take this lying down and we won't leave

[SybilEngineer]

A million plus more people voted leave than remain but still over 16 million voted in. And many of the people this will affect - the under 18s - didn't get a say.

The majority of our elected representatives want us to remain as does our capital city.

The EU wants us to remain and once the leaders have stopped throwing their toys around they will realise they need to reform the EU and make changes that will keep UK and all the other eurosceptic people in.

Today has been a body blow for us remainers but, we're shot of Cameron, so we can re-group and start the fight to remain in the EU but with changes that much of Europe wants.

But how does national sovereignty benefit us, exactly? Apart from us getting to buy our beef in pounds and ounces and having a blue passport again?

We'll also have the fun of losing our employment rights! And human rights!

Of course.
Children will go back to work in the chimneys and factories (when they are rebuilt), lazy educated brats.
Women will lose the Vote, then working class men.
You will work 6 days a week for tuppence a fortnight and be thankful for the work.
If you don't have work then you will be placed in Workfare where you will pick oakum.

The EU saved us from our slavery huh......................

BMW6
Your tone tells me that you won't know what you have lost until it is someone you care about who looses their job or their employment status is degraded. Of course you will then blame it on a new boggy man as reliably given to you by the gutter press.

Nah - my tone should tell you that I'm using sarcasm to ridicule the post before mine as it is stupid and inaccurate

(BTW - it is "loses" not "looses" and "boogy" not "boogy".
Plus does your "employment status is downgraded" translate to "your fired"?)

And yours engineer sounds like a rather naive view that anything that is successful in the UK is entirely down to the EU and anything bad in the future can be blamed on Brexit. Yep I'm sure that's an accurate view.

You're fired if we are getting into grammar.

Brown and BMW,
I may have made two spelling errors in my post but it does not change the fact that working conditions, employment rights, ecconomic security and national security have been damaged and will be damaged further by exiting the EU. What on earth do you think you have to gain by exiting the EU?
My comment of "degrading employment status" was a catch all to cover dismissal, lose of appeal against unfair practice, reduction in pay and conditions etc.

Remainer here - and for me, democracy is not about just one vote.

When you look at the history of democracy, people fought for what they believed in. Do you think those who wanted slavery to end, women's right to vote, etc. should have just given up after the first try?

No.

You continue fighting. This isn't a general election that can be undone in 5 years time. This is forever. And I think it is worth fighting for what we believe to be right.

Surely the whole point is that the suffragettes fought for the vote? Democracy is about free speech yes but in the end it goes with the majority, like it or not.

In terms of standing up for what's right, broaden your perspective analyse what led to it and then work on the causes. Telling people they are wrong and you are right (when the majority disagree) is not going to solve anything.

Engineers I never pick people on mn up on grammar. I was however amused that BMW's sentence correcting you was erm incorrect.

Basicbrown

Yes, but democracy is more than just about a vote. I mean, how odd would that be?!? They fought for a right to be heard, and the 48% are doing just that. Yet, the 'majority' want us to just shut the f*ck up.

If there had been a referendum in America about slaves, the first referendum would DEFINITELY have resulted in "keep". Should people have stopped fighting then? Should they have just shut up? No.

As it so happens, in America the Confederate States wanted to secede - the main reasoning being they wanted to keep slaves, and the second most popular reason was "taking back control". Long story short... it's now the United States of America.

It is rather daft to compare slavery to leaving the EU and to assume what the result of a vote would have been 300 years ago.

Why do you assume only 52% of people accept the decision? I voted remain and I accept it. Assuming that I am not the only balanced person in the UK you are in a much smaller minority than you think.

I voted Remain and I accept the decision too (for example I don't agree with calls a second referendum). However, accepting the outcome of this single vote does not mean that I just shut up and disappear. I will keep asking for The Plan, I will keep pointing out the consequences and fuckups, and I will keep pushing for parliamentary scrutiny of this. Because that's also democracy.

All the while I will pray to all the deities I don't believe in, that all the Happy Leavers are right, and that I am wrong.

I don't accept that we should exit the EU based on this referendum. A significant change of this stature should require more than 50% of the electorate to be implimented. This would mirror that now required to impliment strike action in a union vote. The current state of affairs I'd that it I'd easier to exit the EU than organise a train drivers walkout! Not that I support strike action as a rule.

A significant change of this stature should require more than 50% of the electorate to be implimented.

Then why weren't all the treaties that led piecemeal to the situation we're in now put to referendum before being implemented?

If you're going to argue that then surely there is even less mandate for those changes because they were voted for by 0% of the electorate?

Basicbrown

Why would it be daft? How do you think history will judge the people of the UK, if they just took this lying down?!? Being part of the EU is important for a lot of people, believe it or not.

It's not difficult to figure out what the result of one referendum would have been 300 years ago. It took a freakin' civil war to bring slavery to an end.

It's daft because slavery is a massive human rights issue where people were owned by each other and worked to death. The EU debate is about whether we have an independent country or are partly governed by Europe. It is not a reasonable comparison at all.

I guess some extreme 'remainer' will be along bleating about racism in a minute. But we can be an intolerant or tolerant country either inside or outside the EU and that's for me what is important.

A significant change of this stature should require more than 50% of the electorate to be implimented. This would mirror that now required to impliment strike action in a union vote.

Well again it's not the same, as it is fewer people who are part of an organisation. You quite simply cannot be governed by people who can't be arsed to vote.

*facepalm Never seen so much sheer denial.
It is getting pathetic.

bkgirl never replies to questions about why she thinks the EU is so undemocratic.

Weird that.

is this business STILL causing pearls to the throat clutching ? seems so.

Im more worried about how voting population will vote once they get wind that Tories and Labour will want a free trade / movement deal causing big move to UKIP

mrsfuzzy, people might be less concerned if the Leave campaign had thought out the odd policy and had appeared competent rather than terrified over the last week.

Don't any of the leavers wonder why if leaving is so fantastic, Boris, the highest profile leave campaigner completely bottled being the one to implement it?