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Brexit

to think the Remainers aren't going to take this lying down and we won't leave

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SybilEngineer · 24/06/2016 10:02

A million plus more people voted leave than remain but still over 16 million voted in. And many of the people this will affect - the under 18s - didn't get a say.

The majority of our elected representatives want us to remain as does our capital city.

The EU wants us to remain and once the leaders have stopped throwing their toys around they will realise they need to reform the EU and make changes that will keep UK and all the other eurosceptic people in.

Today has been a body blow for us remainers but, we're shot of Cameron, so we can re-group and start the fight to remain in the EU but with changes that much of Europe wants.

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Sighing · 24/06/2016 10:44

I'm for remain. Much like democracy - so there's nothing to do, it's why i was glad to become part of the British population. I am now going to be more wary out and about of course. No matter how this is dressed up. The majority of British are racists first and foremost and don't want me in my country.

Witchend · 24/06/2016 10:44

I don't think we could have another vote unless
A) We are offered a significant incentive to stay. I can't see that happening
B) It is done so only a bigger majority (60% maybe?) can change the result.
Or something pretty catastrophic happens, which I hope not.

shovetheholly · 24/06/2016 10:44

The naivety of some posters about how the world actually works is staggering. They have no choice but to leave now.

merrymouse · 24/06/2016 10:46

I think that the UK will definitely leave the EU.

However it will have to re-start negotiations with the EU and whatever that results in is likely to disappoint many Brexiters, because, you know, real life.

The problem with a referendum on an issue like leaving the EU is that it doesn't really give anyone a mandate to do anything, because nobody has defined what leaving means. However, until leaving is defined, presumably by Boris who hasn't won an election, there will continue to be uncertainty and chaos.

The most democratic thing to do now would be to have another general election, but at this point I don't think we could deal with it. However, until we do we are stuck with Boris and Gove's interpretation of the referendum.

EdmundCleverClogs · 24/06/2016 10:46

It's is not a democracy when 2 of the 4 voting countries voted a majority of staying in. A tiny percentage win over such a major decision needs serious looking at. This is more than the usual 4 year vote for an interchangeable public schoolboy running the country - this is going to affect us for generations.

Lynnm63 · 24/06/2016 10:47

So let me get this right remainers, when you thought you'd won at 10pm it was "you have to accept the will of the people" but now it's not gone your way you're taking your ball back running to mummy saying it's not fair.
You've already crashed the govt website trying to get another referendum

timeandtide · 24/06/2016 10:47

I voted remain but that is the beauty of democracy. You respect the majority.

I live in Scotland and voted to remain part of the UK and had to listen to the diatribe that followed the referendum up here from the yes voters.

TwatbadgingCuntfuckery · 24/06/2016 10:47

The best thing out of this - best voter numbers since 1992.

I agree handbags for a few it was about getting cameron out.

Lynnm63 · 24/06/2016 10:48

Sighing WE ARE NOT FUCKING RACISTS. STOP CALLING US ALL THAT.

gandalf456 · 24/06/2016 10:49

I agree in principle. Unfortunately, the issue is too complex and should have been left up to the government

Isetan · 24/06/2016 10:49

EU want us to stay so they need to reform.

Wasn't that Dave's gamble which spectacularly hasn't pay off?

'We're shot of Cameron, so now we can regroup'

You do realise that the Conservative Party will be electing our next PM and Dave was the lesser of many evils.

BillSykesDog · 24/06/2016 10:50

No, it wouldn't be a democracy if two countries with a much lower population were allowed to force a higher numerical majority to stay in against their will. Because that would mean effectively Scots being given 11 votes per person and NI 50 for every one vote given to the English.

To suggest that would be democratic is laughable.

TopazRocks · 24/06/2016 10:50

Now Cameron has run away, he will be replaced by a Brexiteer who will see it all goes through. The UK will leave the EU. It's a miniscule win for the Leavers but it's a leave nonetheless. Being Scottish and in Scotland, i am a tad concerned at the prospect of another indie ref. Despite having voted for Indie there. I don't think the voters could stand another election. And the campaigners in Scotland have been at it solidly for ages now. For one, my son's academic career couldn't cope with more campaigning!

I am angry at Cameron for leaving us in the lurch. He brought on this ref through his arrogance. He didn't have the guts to stand up to the backstabbers in his own party and agreed to a ref he then lost. It wasn't all his fault Leave won, but it was his lack of sense that brought on the ref. Then he fecking resigned. I am deeply worried at who might replace him. I've always though Johnston is more dangerous as he is brighter than most of them.

One bit of hope I saw this AM - a tweet from Brendan Cox saying what his late wife would have wanted us to do. Such dignity from a man who has jsut lost so much.

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EdmundCleverClogs · 24/06/2016 10:53

BillSykesDog, so you're saying that the fact that N. Irish, Scots and Welsh votes are insignificant to the English one makes this whole shambles 'democratic'? Two of those countries are out of the EU when they obviously voted in. Total farce.

WeekendAway · 24/06/2016 10:54

The under 18's don't get a vote so what's the point in harping on about what they think?

The young were widely believed to be behind the majority of Remain votes and the middle aged and elderly to be behind the majority of Leave votes. So er.....perhaps if more young people had been engaged and motivated to vote then the result would have been different? Blame the young people who might have voted yes but didn't bother at all before you blame the older Leave voters.

mrsfuzzy · 24/06/2016 10:54

sybil do you really want under 18's voting ?? whilst there are plenty who are mature enough to make decisions about such things there are more who walk around with their heads up their arses - sorry - living in fantasy land of social media.
at least we have democracy in this country.

Cornishclio · 24/06/2016 10:55

I voted remain but we have to respect the democratic right to start the leaving process.

Dragon girl Do you really think that with the pound falling, turbulent stock markets and businesses which were practically all in favour of remain that our economy will not suffer? Even the Brexiters said that there would be a period of instability for anything from 2 years to 10 years. How much that will affect the economy remains to be seen but I think it fairly safe to say in the short term imports will be more expensive (flip side is exports may be cheaper once the UK has agreed trade deals, however long that takes) interest rates may rise or the BOE may print money QE and we will have a very right wing government given all the Brexiteers were mostly hard right - low tax, low benefit, low public spending. I am not surprised Cameron has gone - he doesn't want to deal with fallout.

Stinkingbishopess · 24/06/2016 10:55

I'm a remainer, I'm very disappointed. But the decision has been made by the majority of those that voted, and it wouldn't be right to try and change that now. Regardless of the reasons why people voted the way they did, regardless of whether lies were peddled by one side or the other, they voted. And we have to respect that. We can complain about it, we can attempt to change our government when we get the chance if we think that would improve matters, but people have been disappointed by political decisions forever. It's how it works.

WeekendAway · 24/06/2016 10:56

I don't want under 18s voting either. They'd vote your way if you offered them a case of free vodka.

kurohitsuji · 24/06/2016 10:56

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mumofthemonsters808 · 24/06/2016 10:56

There is life outside London you know.

branofthemist · 24/06/2016 10:56

So let me get this right remainers, when you thought you'd won at 10pm it was "you have to accept the will of the people" but now it's not gone your way you're taking your ball back running to mummy saying it's not fair.

Essentially, yes. That's what they are doing. I am so embarrassed by some remainers behaviour today.

LineyReborn · 24/06/2016 10:56

I think parliament may shape 'leaving' in an interesting way.

shovetheholly · 24/06/2016 10:57

I don't really see why under 18s shouldn't vote.

When the NHS write patient information leaflets, it's for an average reading age of an 11 year old. This is assumed to be appropriate for the majority. As long as a child has achieved that, I can't see why they wouldn't be able to make a valid political decision as much as an adult with a similar level of intellect. If we also taught politics and civics more in schools (and we NEED to do this) then it could be a great way of ensuring a more well-informed electorate for the future.

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