To point out that not ALL people who voted leave are racist

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I'd describe myself as extreme left. I voted leave because the EU's undemocratic. Today I wake up to ALL of my Facebook posting statuses about how they feel sick etc. all my friends are liberal, some of them would hate me if they knew. But if I was asked outright I'd probably be honest. I've made new friends recently who would definitely never speak to me again if they knew though. I feel like everyone who voted leave has been branded a racist. I feel uncomfortable that probably lots of them are sad I feel very uneasy being lumped in with them and might come to regret my decision

Posted this elsewhere but in need of some hand holding I think! Or maybe someone who feels the same way? Anyone?

Dawndonnaagain - The EU has elected members, but the EU Commission does not and is mostly made up of failed politicians. The Commission puts forward laws for which the elected members may vote.

The EU parliament has our elected meps. The EU commission does not. The EU commission sends proposals for laws/legislation to the EU parliament to approve and on which the meps can vote. The parliament can propose amendments to these laws, but the commission doesnt have to accept them, before they send the proposal to the EU council to be ratified and brought in to law should the council vote in favour. Out of 72 times when the UK has voted against these proposals, we have been out voted every single time by the other nations.

It is not the function of the EU parliament to suggest and implement laws, their only function is to vote on whether to accept laws proposed by the EU Commission, a body made up of UNELECTED officials.

JassyRadlett

"I think the Migration Impact Fund was a good step in the right direction on this as it was designed to do exactly what you set out. It was scrapped in 2010."

And there hasn't been a decent replacement idea. I think free movement of people is a good and honourable thing to have, but the way the EU has introduced it, not kept an eye on it and not helped in the forward planning has been totally irresponsible.

You keep missing out the bit on how Commissioners are appointed, Cordy. Which is a wee bit relevant.

Although now strictly academic as far as the UK is concerned of course...

Racist graffiti has been scrawled in several buildings across the university campus where I work, including in one of the toilets in my building.

Jassyradlet - They are not appointed by the people of the countries whom they are representing....

Cordy- how do you feel about senior civil servants and ambassadors?

Jassyradlet - They are not appointed by the people of the countries whom they are representing

They are appointed by the democratically elected governments of thouse countries and confirmed by the Parliament. And like ministers they are expected to work for the good of the electorate as a whole, not just the bit they come from.

What's your view on HoL ministers?

honestly? i think a huge number of people are ill informed and don;t understand the issues or politics and yes, all those people who voted because of immigration etc are racist.

And there hasn't been a decent replacement idea. I think free movement of people is a good and honourable thing to have, but the way the EU has introduced it, not kept an eye on it and not helped in the forward planning has been totally irresponsible.

No, but the fact of not replacing it is a UK responsibility. Why does the EU get the blame and our own (successive) governments escape it?

@JassyRadlett This. So much this

Plus, given the fucking tosspots we actually CHOOSE to elect in government ......

Don't think for one second I don't blame our Government because I do when it comes to not enough housing being built, not enough money for local councils to help with the population increase.

But some of the initial problems are down to the EU, this referendum was about our part in that. I will try and hold our government to task in the next GE.

If I thought for a second the EU were willing to reform in to a more democratic, fairer and more transparent organisation then that would have been enough to sway my vote to remain.
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Asprilla I'm not sure you looked very hard, there were hard left people campaigning for that, who understood your concerns and* were wary of the consequences of whipping up nationalisms.

Fawful -
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Asprilla* I'm not sure you looked very hard, there were hard left people campaigning for that, who understood your concerns and were wary of the consequences of whipping up nationalisms.

So you missed the speech by John claud juncker when he said the EU would not be implementing further reforms?

Actually a very high percentage are low wage earners which or may qualifiy them for tax credits.

Source?

I'll just leave this here (those of a sensitive nature please note: no generalisations intended)

www.buzzfeed.com/lukelewis/im-being-trolled-on-facebook-by-brextremists?utm_term=.rgZ8ol0wrz#.yovl6ZR1wz

I have noticed that Leave voters are, understandably, so uncomfortable with the rise in racist attacks that they are not only denying that they are happening/on the rise/in any way connected to the referendum but they are also doing their best to switch the narrative to a focus on hateful attacks on the elderly by Remainers. I'd be interested to see if the scale and scope are in any way comparable - comments reported about the older voters being worth less and dying soon are truly reprehensible. I am, however, concerned at this concerted attempt to brush the terrifying rise of far right nationalism and racism under the carpet because Leave voters don't like that these guys are on their side of the debate.

People write minimizing and deflecting garbage like 'theres always been racism' whats the big deal, 'bitter losers make a big thing out of it', 'well remain are racist too'. etc.

Even on FB saw a friends daughter complain of being on the bus Asian lady not sure if it was her stop, an older white lady starts shouting hurry up and then after Asian lady had got off on her stop, exclaims along the lines of "so glad finally they are all going to be kicked out".

second comment "I have seen similar posts from unconnected people and so question this"

Shocking is complete fingers in ears

I don't think (hope) no one believe everyone who voted out is a racist.

A few points though of why I think it feels like that.

First is that the campaign itself was most definitely racist.
The person leading the campaign was most definitely racist.
The key issues raised in the campaign were racist.
A lot of the people being shown on TV / commenting about it are showing themselves to be racist.

Also, worth saying...in 1932 Germany was not "racist". Most people there were reasonable and not prejudiced really. Or at least no more than was the norm back then.

The trouble is that the moment you allow any public figure to incite some sort of blame on "non nationals" and put up posters of the sort Farage did, you are crossing a line of inciting racial hatred.

Blaming immigrants for our economic misfortunes is going to have a result. That's got worrying undertones and is not what this country is about.

Our nation has a grand history, but also a violent, oppressive and superior one where we conquered lands of the "brown" man or the "lesser man" as we saw it and felt we were doing them a favour.

National pride often takes a nasty turn in the simple equation that when you think your country and countrymen are so absolutely wonderful and superior you create on the flipside of that coin the inference that others are less so. Less. We are more, they are less.

There are plenty of "non racist" people who do not hate Polish people or Muslim people or whatever but they would still prefer they went home to live in the country they were born in.

I am not sure where the line is on that.

I am proud to be British -but I believed as a whole our country embraced our multiculturalism and the way we welcome both the needy and the curious and the innovative into our country and communities.

I don't for a minute believe every who voted leave is a racist, but was very disappointed by the tone this campaign took.

Asprilla
making your articulate, well reasoned and compassionate remarks is of no consequence here is it.
Basically, until you reveal what you, personally, are going to do to resolve each and every problematic issue that has anything whatsoever to do with Europe you can stick your reasonable explanations up your arse

and in response to a pp, restriction on immigration will not impede the movement of those with desirable skills, whether they are from Europe or outside.

HippiePrincess

"Asprilla
making your articulate, well reasoned and compassionate remarks is of no consequence here is it.
Basically, until you reveal what you, personally, are going to do to resolve each and every problematic issue that has anything whatsoever to do with Europe you can stick your reasonable explanations up your arse"

Yes I have sort of resigned myself to that fact now

It Is interesting to hear/read the people of Sunderland explain why they voted brexit despite the advice of their employers at Nissan.
'We don't like being told what to do!'
"We'll have freedom!"
Racist wasn't the first word that sprung to mind.

Love your posts, Breaking Dad and Yello.

The racist comments and attacks are appalling, but they also point something out about leave voters who abuse Black and Asian people on public transport. They were voting for something completely different. They have a fundamental misunderstanding of what the vote was about. They may be a minority, but we are tearing our country apart on the say so of people who think they voted to deport all brown people. They don't even know what the EU is! Who knows how many people thought that was what they were voting for? They all abuse people on the bus.

That was meant to say don't all abuse people on the bus