The weather is on the side of the people

[claig]

Chucking it down in the East of England. Storms last night. Senior Remain campaigners phoning in minute by minute weather updates to Brussels. To say there is despair among the elite is to do the English language injustice.

Brexiters were out in force, soaked to the skin, some were being carried to the polling booths. As we said "good morning" to each other, there were mentions of "Independence Day" with laughs and winks.

Some Brexiters looked to the Heavens as they chucked down rain upon us and smiled. The Heavens were on our side.

Let's cut corporation and NI paid by small/mudium sized business. Let's give grants to international manufacturing companies to open factories in the north of England.

I wish I shared your naievety optimism.

Who is paying for this? How?

Why would international manufacturing companies want to come to the UK? (We are miles from anywhere).

And what makes you think the South will want to pay for jobs in the North? They never have before.

Not saying it isn't a nice idea.

But given that we are going into an economically weak period and in those circumstances people get more selfish I very much doubt there will be any investment in the north. It isn't Europe that was making the North poor. It is the UK not giving a shit.

The govnmt will be far too busy for at least the rest of this parliament sorting out Brexit and EU law and Trade deals and the exodus from the financial centre to give two fucks about what happens in the North.

Out of sight out of mind

*Arguably the construction industry was taken down by a global recession and a massive downturn in house building.

But hey blame it on migrants why not?*

Who 'blamed it on migrants'?

Not me.

I blamed it on policy that Tony Blair pushed through.

But hey, don't let that stop you misrepresenting what I said.

How are we planning to cut taxes and NI paid by small business and paying out huge grants to big business (which the EU offered anyway) while also funding medical research, scientific research, charity projects, family projects, town centre projects, peace projects, infrastructure projects etc etc?

What I'm trying to point out is, that given the results of the referendum, where there's huge disquiet in the north about their situation, we would be very silly to ignore it. So there should be a massive push, from the Governemnt, to look and see how they can assist people in the North.

I probably am very naive, I have no real idea what it's like to live and work in the North of England, which may be the issue with a lot of us. But I feel it is our duty to help them, particularly now that they've so comprehensively made themselves heard.

I am not a politician or scholar, I wish I was more intelligent than I am, so don't have any of answers, but I fervently believe instead of calling the people who chose to leave racists and xenophobes, we should try and empathise with their anger at their situation, instead of inflaming it.

"The North" was getting millions in EU funding. Check out Merseyside.

A tory government peddling austerity is not going to invest in Labour voting northern towns and cities.

The land of milk and honey is not coming. Sometimes you've got to learn the hard way.

Arguably the construction industry was taken down by a global recession and a massive downturn in house building.

Yes. Mainly caused by the US and fat cat bankers laughing all the way to their safe bonuses and no regulation that would have prevented the crisis. Regulation that still doesn't exist and is likely to trigger another housing crisis.

I live in the north. On the TV yesterday they were asking people at a leave party why they voted to leave.

Answers ranged from 'taking our country back' to 'we can stop the Muslims from
Africa' and 'my dad fought for this'. There is no mention of the millions the region was about to receive from the EU for flood damage of the £1bn they had invested here in the past 5 years

Moody's downgrading our credit rating to negative.
Le Touquet agreement we have with France highly likely to cease.
Petrol prices rising.
The Financial sector losing their 'passporting' status.
Pensions losing their triple locked status.
No one having a clue what's going to happen next.
Happy days

What a marvellous time to be alive!

It's shite. Scotland are in talks to secure their place in the EU. Genuinely considering relocating.

Scotland won't "secure their place" - all Sturgeon's doing is making the right noises to appease her supporters.

And Sturgeon has downgraded her 'definite' to 'might'.

It is a marvellous time to be alive though.

We're living through history - again.

My generation (I'm 41) have lived through a whole heap of change - you adapt & overcome.

Change is positive, change is good.

Honestly, what a fatuous thing to say. As if all change is good.

The pound has dropped to its lowest level in 31 years
France is overtaking the UK as the world's 5th largest economy
UK's credit rating downgraded from stable to negative
Recession on the way

Huzzah for change y'all!

They don't care mitzy
You're wasting your breath!
Their parents came through the war you know, and they managed ok!
lets ignore huge levels of poverty, rationing, child mortality, low rates of higher education, low aspirations
It was all like an episode of heartbeat back then you know!

Where the actual FUCK are out govt?
Moving their family money and making sure they are ok that's fucking where.
Where is the chancellor?
Where is the leadership in what I think we can safely now call this constitutional crisis?

My generation (I'm 41) have lived through a whole heap of change - you adapt & overcome.

that will be recessions and house price crashes and high unemployment.
Many people were ruined by those things and did not recover.

What does "Huzzah" mean? Just trying to understand some of these posts.

For fracks sake.
Fracking has just been made heaps easier now the companies don't have to comply with the environmental EU directives, wonderful

Huzzah! Is just an exclamation, like hurrah generally.

It does have military connotations from the times of the empire, but I'm not sure if that connotation was being alluded to in that post or not.

This post is doing the FB rounds and it is about time we stopped the handwringing and looked for some positivity. I haven't checked all the facts but know some of them to be true
"Today a Prime Minister resigned. The £ plummeted. The FTSE 100 lost significant ground. But then the £ rallied past February levels, and the FTSE closed on a weekly high: 2.4% up on last Friday, its best performance in 4 months. President Obama decided we wouldn't be at the 'back of the queue' after all and that our 'special relationship' was still strong. The French President confirmed the Le Touquet agreement would stay in place. The President of the European Commission stated Brexit negations would be 'orderly' and stressed the UK would continue to be a 'close partner' of the EU. A big bank denied reports it would shift 2,000 staff overseas. The CBI, vehemently anti-Brexit during the referendum campaign, stated British business was resilient and would adapt. Several countries outside the EU stated they wished to begin bi-lateral trade talks with the UK immediately. If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one. It was all over by teatime. Not a bad first day of freedom."

'If this was the predicted apocalypse, well, it was a very British one. It was all over by teatime. Not a bad first day of freedom.'

Oh dear.

To channel the dulcet tones of Karen Carpenter 'we've only just begun'.

Kummer that post was written by a kipper.

blamed it on policy that Tony Blair pushed through.

And how was that policy responsible for unemploymemt in construction?

And again why does that make people losing their jobs in EU now a good thing?

So there should be a massive push, from the Governemnt, to look and see how they can assist people in the North.

Yes. Yeswe should but that has been the case since the destruction of industry in the North.

No one has wanted to do it before and they won't do it now.
They'll just squeeze people even harder and blame it on Brexit ...because they don't give a shit about the North or Scotland (except for the 5 minutes when they thought Scotland might leave so they promised all sorts with no intention of delivering much).

Leabing EU won't make them care anymore than they do now.

Out of sight out of mind.