The weather is on the side of the people

[claig]

Chucking it down in the East of England. Storms last night. Senior Remain campaigners phoning in minute by minute weather updates to Brussels. To say there is despair among the elite is to do the English language injustice.

Brexiters were out in force, soaked to the skin, some were being carried to the polling booths. As we said "good morning" to each other, there were mentions of "Independence Day" with laughs and winks.

Some Brexiters looked to the Heavens as they chucked down rain upon us and smiled. The Heavens were on our side.

'vote with the people'

I agree with Farage when he says it is the people vs the Establishment

That doesn't mean all the people, but it means that the only opposition to the Establishment is the people (since the Establishment is in the main united).

But still a remain win :)

yes but a small one in an area expecting a large win

'But still a remain win '

Let's wait and see, but the Establishment has immense power as it has the Bank of England, the IMF, the BBC etc on its side and it can use them for Project Fear in order to maintain the staus quo. The people who want change just have Farage, Boris and Gove.

I did smile at the "oh, but they've a large university educated section there, that result is "

I have become heartily sick of being told that the highly educated voters will always vote remain (coz they're superior obvs).

Ah yes, Farage, Boris and Gove men of the people, champions of the little guy. Not Establishment types at all.

Things are looking up. Putting the coffee on, it is not over yet.

Same here Mango.

How can people be so blinkered.

Claig - I'll join you.

We may well loose but I have a feeling there is going to be a big shock in at least one areas vote. desperately trying to keep awake for Sunderland

Ah yes, Farage, Boris and Gove men of the people, champions of the little guy. Not Establishment types at all.

British politics has become so desperate that Michael Gove is seen as a revolutionary figure.

ok what does this mean?

Oh heck

Great result from Sunderland!

61.3% out for Sunderland!

what does this mean? tell me tell me,

The way the markets are reacting, we could well be out!

Jeremy Vine is explaining now Rose

In what way is the Establishment united?

The government who are surely a major part of the Establishment are riven.
The media another part of TE have most tabloids firmly in the leave camp....or are the Express and the DM suddenly rebels.

The Greens - hardly part of TE are for remain.

Boris Johnson is about as Establishment as it gets.

Unless you are defining The Establishment as people with an education and a grasp of economics then you are just making up a meaningless tinfoil hattery term to impart nobility on a political opinion that you happen to hold as a way of hedging your bets against a possible loss.

If leave win its the triumph of the wee man against the made up establishment if they lose its the plucky loser downtrodden by the forces of evil in an unfair fight.

Its not. Its democracy. Either way. In all its unpalatable, ill informed, vote with your gut, do whatevet it takes, first past the post, unduly influenced by the press, partisan glory.

Fucked up. But it's all we have.

But it isn't the people versus the not the people.

It means the people of Sunderland are turkeys voting for Christmas, come out of the EU and bye bye Nissan.

Sunderland have just royally shafted themselves. And maybe the rest of the country.

'The way the markets are reacting, we could well be out!'

I think it goes to show just how high the feeling runs against the EU in those areas if they're prepared to shaft themselves.

Politicians have massively undervalued so many ordinary people for far too long.

shouldn't be surprized really, Thatcher was voted in 3 times.

Ach Glaig, you're a daft old coot. And tomorrow, win or lose, you'll still be a daft old coot. Please stay on MN.