So Leavers what happens Friday if you win? What's the plan Stan?

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Hello...My name is Showme..and I am a remainer

But I am also pragmatic, and a planner. My concern is the Leave campaign has no Plan. At all. Nadda

For me with objectives you have assumption oh and plans. I see an awful lot of we will be x better off, there will be x less of blah blah. But how?

So they win. And on Friday what? Day zero?

Beaky - it has been a massive issue for 20 plus years - sorry it passed you by until now.

OP you have been told what will happen. Hubris simply and clearly explained that article 50 states what will happen. It will be a long drawn out process. I think most people understand that we don't suddenly stop being part of the EU tomorrow. It's complicated. The whole thing is.

So the plan has been explained to you.

I really do get that some people have felt strongly about this for a long time, I respect that. But the vast majority had never given 2 thoughts about the EU before the last few weeks/months. To most people it feels way too sudden.

Oblomov16 From the style of some of the OPs responses, I did wonder if they were a paid EU/Remain person as we used to see on the pages of the Telegraph (before they took away the comments facility).

The plan hasn't been explained because we have no idea what the leave campaign wants. It's bit like knowing how to catch a plane, but not having decided on a destination.

It's complicated. The whole thing is.

Except we live in a global economy and markets and businesses will not be prepared to hang around for a couple of years while the UK has an identity crisis.

Merrymouse You know what the leave campaign wants - to leave the EU.

If we stay on the bus we're on (using another transport analogy) which is being driven by a group of drivers who all want different things, lurch all over the road, cause accidents (Greece); we have no idea where we end up. I'd like to stop the bus, and get off in an orderly fashion rather than be involved in a fatal smash down the road.

Actually, I think a bus driven by a group of drivers lurching all over the road because they don't know what they want very much describes the Leave campaign.

However, as we are talking about countries rather than buses, there is no 'just get off' choice. The markets will continue to trade and businesses will have to make choices tomorrow. We have no choice but to trade with and negotiate with Europe and we would/will be affected by countries like Greece and immigrants from Syria whether we are in or out of the EU.

Yet the Leave campaign doesn't seem to have any clear idea of what direction they want to take. Standing at the side of the road isn't an option.

I think the leave campaign have never really had a clue about the direction they want to go in, or how they see the future. They started by saying we could be like Norway or Switzerland, then Canada etc in our relationships for trade. Then it was we will trade with the rest of the world and quickly set up trade deals, but the head of the WTO said that wasn't how it would work.

They want their outcome at all costs that's evident.

The Leave campaign have one task which is to free us from the rule of the EU. If we vote to leave, we will have elections every 5 years which allow us to appoint and sack the party that we feel best represents us.

Some say that voting to remain is voting for a status quo. It most definitely isn't. Shortly after the referendum we will have the EU army/military plans announced, the EU budget (which has been conveniently delayed and so have the military plans) and talks with Turkey resume on the 30th June. We have no idea what is in store for us if we vote to remain. I don't understand why/how people fail to see this. The EU isn't standing still; its agenda is further integration and expansion.

I make pretty much all big decisions based on what I honestly think is the best for my dcs. None of us can be sure of the future but, with the writing that is currently on the wall, I believe 100% voting leave is the best option for them.

I just read this pile of shit on FB. Hilarious and deeply unintelligent.



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The EU army? Our elected goverment have a veto on that.

Turkey joining the EU? Our elected government have a veto on that too.

Both are really highly unlikely at any point in the near or mid future, yet you are making a decision based on them becoming reality.

We also have an exemption on ever closer union.

However leaving will put the country into a recession and it will follow with a decade of uncertainty while we sort out what trade deals we have with the EU and the other countries that the EU has trade deals with, accouting for 60% of our exports.

Oh and trading with the rest of the world? The US take 15% , so in total the rest of the world currently make up 25% of our exports.

Yet your willing to gamble your children's future economic well being against things that are very unlikely to happen?

Interesting.

smallfox

However leaving will put the country into a recession and it will follow with a decade of uncertainty while we sort out what trade deals we have with the EU and the other countries that the EU has trade deals with, accouting for 60% of our exports.

Nobody knows what is going to happen if the leave campaign wins, so your post is just scaremongering.

smallfox are you guaranteeing we don't fall into a recession if we remain?

The EU army? Our elected goverment have a veto on that. We'll have an opt out, but I am not sure we can actually veto this if the competences are extended to defence, then it will go to QMV. It's all about the acquis remember; it ratchets up little by little until there is no going back.

In the unlikely event that the EU ignores a veto, there is absolutely nothing to stop the UK (or any other country) saying stuff that and leaving. Juncker et al only have the power over individual member states that those member states are willing to concede, however much they might like to pontificate on ever closer union.

I think people are rebelling against something that doesn't exist. It's not Juncker that dictates what the EU or Europe does. It's the shifting balance of relationships and goals of countries who because of geography will always have to work together. (Or be at each other's throats).

Even the Leave campaign agree that leaving will cause an economic down turn.

Why would people invest in a country that doesn't know what it wants?

Ah Scaremongering, but isn't Turkey joining and filling our streets full of rapists scaremongering? Isn't the EU army? Isn't being forced into a federation?

Most economic experts say that on a leave vote we'd have a recession. You can take further evidence for this from the behaviour of the markets when leave goes ahead in the polls.

We also know that its would take a long time to sort out our trade deals, and even the head of the WTO said that there would be no "quick deals". So yes we'd have a recession, and yes the recovery would be more diffciult due to uncertainty.

I can't guarantee no recession anyway, but as the european economies are in recovery at the minute I'd hope that it wouldn't happen in the next 6 months where as if we leave I'm certain that we will.

This is just one of the reasons I'm voting Remain. Leave would be political chaos, and since all the Leavers want completely different things, things would turn ugly very quickly - and even if a compromise could be reached, no one would be happy with it

so you think it might be a problem for people in government to come up with a plan because they have different ideas.

However your very happy with 28 countries trying to agree on every little thing - which they don't because they all have different ideas, cultures, economies, levels of corruption and politics...

smallpox There will be a bloody big recession whether we stay or go. I'm very happy to stick my neck out and tell the op that. It won't matter if we are in, or out. Anyone thinking otherwise, is foolish.

'but as the european economies are in recovery at the minute'.....really?
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smallfox1980
"Ah Scaremongering, but isn't Turkey joining and filling our streets full of rapists scaremongering? Isn't the EU army? Isn't being forced into a federation?"

And yet on this thread it is only the remain camp that have brought that up.

neither camp has the moral high ground when it comes to spreading lies, deceit and scaremongering to the voting public. Neither side has been virtuous in this campaign.

Scary that articile is in regard to budget deficit, not economic growth, the EU is in recovery albeit at 0.6% in the first quarter of 2016, where as ours was 0.4%. There's however in nominal terms is far larger because the economy of the EU is much bigger.

Thanks for the attack on my name throughthickandthin and for implying I'm a fool. Do you have any research that says another recession is coming?

So we have one poster who links to unconnected subjects and another who launches ad hominem attacks rather than arguing the points.

Whats that nice warm feeling rising in my chest? Ah that's right...validation.