Anyone else really worried now?

[MrsBlackthorn]

My work has started quietly drawing up contingency plans for if Brexit happens. Same at DH's work. Could mean lots of jobs moving to Germany and Ireland at both our firms. We're already seeing far fewer people investing or spending money.

I'm bloody terrified. Could lose my job. House could end up in negative equity. And for what?

I don't even think it's "project fear" from the government anymore... News today showed investors are taking money out of the UK faster than anytime since the crash. People with "skin in the game" voting with their money.

I understand that for lots of people the EU referendum isn't about money. however, because of a lot of it leaving, stopping coming in, or just simply being worth less... Well that leaves us screwed for a very long time. Fewer jobs. Less tax money coming in - so less money for the NHS and so on. So even if we 'take back control', of what exactly. what will we be 'in control' of?

I'm really worried about "Leave" happening and me and my family being utterly f*ed in a few months time as a result. Has the country lost its mind?

Anyone else worried about where this leaves us?

Here's the link to the Wolfgang Schauble's interview www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/10/no-single-market-access-for-uk-after-brexit-wolfgang-schauble-says

I was watching the news and they mentioned the article so I did a quick search - the article is in Der Spiegel tomorrow apparently.

Because companies can employ low paid workers

And our government can not put a cap on how many EU workers they can employ we could if we leave

Yes they are taken advantage of by business but it impacts us all it has a knock on effect on us all

And no I have not fallen for the idea that immigration is to blame for everything but it part of the problem

I want to leave Europe so we in this country can make decisions what is best for this country the growing gap between the poor and wealthy is what concerns me the most

It won't be perfect but we need to make changes and i can not see it happening while we are in Europe

I am not wealthy never have been family working class and daughter of an immigrant (non European) I am well aware the immigration stance of some people but also the denial of mainly the far left that it is not an issue at all for anyone is ridiculous

Will the housing market crash
sooner the better for that one, the longer the bubble goes on the greater the carnage when it bursts

I agree the housing market is overinflated, but a crash will screw over a lot of people and families - particularly if combined with widespread unemployment.

It will allow the cash-rich to pick up more buy-to-lets on the cheap, too.

I'd prefer to see the tax system used to deflate the bubble in a more managed way - hitting investors rather than ordinary families.

I agree with you on that MrsBlackthorn.

Here's an article about what a bad state the EU economy is in and how the action of the European Central Bank is just putting off the day of reckoning.

capx.co/the-ecb-is-making-europes-economic-crisis-worse/

More bailouts to come I think......after Greece in July

Why is it a problem to say immigration is too high in this country? When clearly it is.

And no unex that is not what I'm saying, I'm saying there will be a recession anyway, regardless of in or out, those same people that it affects will still be affected. But maybe if we are out of EU we can reduce its affects.

As the are no actual figures for what will happen if we leave just projections however there are figures for if we stay,

The remain campaign are clearly rattled. They are becoming increasingly desperate, and their tactic of fear, the like of which is seen on this thread, is clumsy, clunky, and is so obviously transparant that a blind man could see through it! Some people are stupid, and will believe it, but most are smart enough to see it for exactly what it is it. They need to change their tactics because they losing this very quickly!

bridgetoc I'll say it again. I'm astounded at the hypocrisy of leave accusing remain of project fear after farage's comments. The info here on the implications of leaving European trade relationships and networks is well-founded.

Even many leave commentators agree there will be an economic impact - the question is what's best in the long term

I've been on the receiving end of one too many 'if you don't vote leave now we will be subsumed into a European superstate next Friday and you will never ever have the chance to leave, enjoy your German/Turkish [delete as appropriate] overlords!' comments from Brexiteers to take accusations of 'project fear' from that side too seriously, tbf.

Even Gove says Brexit will cost jobs. Whether those people's livelihoods are worth it for whichever principle draws you towards voting leave is a judgement call, as are opinions on the long-term economic impact. There are far too many competing factors for the long-term picture post-Brexit to be anything but very uncertain.

If we do vote to leave, I really, really hope I'm wrong. I'm just really worried that I'm not, because everything I've seen points the other way to me.

The scariest thing for me is that we are supposed to be a knowledge economy, yet all we are demonstrating to a bemused world at the moment is how spectacularly stupid we are.

This bus that says we can spend £350m a week on the NHS instead -the figure is a lie because not all that money goes to the EU. So given that we are already spending some of it in the UK, how can we spend it on the NHS?

Simple maths that doesn't add up.

And this is Leave's headline 'fact' - so if they can't even tell the truth in their headline 'fact', everything else must be a pack of lies.

So if half the population are going to believe this nonsense, we are screwed one way or the other.

German finance minister is hardening his line.

This bus that says we can spend £350m a week on the NHS instead -the figure is a lie because not all that money goes to the EU. So given that we are already spending some of it in the UK, how can we spend it on the NHS?

Let alone all the other things we're going to spend it on, apparently, according to the Brexit leaders. Subsidies to farmers, regional grants, extra benefits for the people made unemployed by Brexit, reduction in VAT on fuel, grants for research... It's quite the list.

Nearlyhellokitty Farage is NOT part of the official leave campaign. Although biased news outlets like The BBC will have him on as much as possible, because they think he comes across poorly, and they think he will be a liability to the Brexit movement. It backfired last night though.

There has been an orchestrated daily campaign of fear being peddled by Cameron, Osbourne, The BBC, and others. Try and deny this if you like, but you will look foolish if you do. There are now those on the remain camp who are now calling for this terrible tactic to stop because it's not working. People see straight through it, and remain are losing great big chunks of voters.

Don't just think of tomorrow , or next week, or next year...... Think of your children and grandchildrens future.

You must vote brexit!

Farage is NOT part of the official leave campaign

Farage is the most well know Brexiter. He has been banging the anti eu drum for years.

bridgetoc

It's laughably hypocritical to accuse anyone of peddling fear when your own side has been telling Britain that 70m Turks are coming to Britain.

The Leave campagn's tactic has been to keep lying for long enough in the hope the lies become true.

'In fact most highly educated people want to remain"

Not the doctors where I work or the domestics or the nurses I'd say 80% want to leave. 70% of them are from outside the EU and have been here for 10 plus years and love the UK. They want brexit and it can't come soon enough. They also think it will be better for the NHS.

I'm still on the fence myself. I'm educated to degree level if that indeed matters.

I think its rhetoric like that Each that drives more people to leave, it must be how the EU bureaucrats feel about us little people, who don't know whats best for us......

Brexit still can't tell us what post EU Britain will look like. No small print whatsoever. Its pie in the sky.

Like buying a house without viewing it or even seeing a photo.

Don't just think of tomorrow , or next week, or next year...... Think of your children and grandchildrens future

I am, and I have a passport that would enable me and mine to escape the short term economic pain if there were a skerrick of evidence voting Brexit would lead to a brighter, better Britain my kids and theirs could go back to.

But there isn't. So I'm not.

Not Really Frank the Uk did exist before this ever closer marriage to the EU....

A short history perhaps, but longer than some other nations on this earth.

The worrying thing is - there is much focus from remain on this issue and yet the EU has morphed into a totally different beast since we joined up, its morphing, growing all the time = can you tell me what the EU looks like in 20 years time?

Can you tell me what it will look like in two years time?

Goodnes the whole Emperor's new clothes - "you must be uneducated to vote leave". Has to be the most hilarious snake oil from Cameron and Blair - and people are swallowing said snake oil.

Much easier than looking at the issues of why big business and Goldmans Sachs are so keen to keep it going, whilst our poorest are the ones no one listens to and are told they are bigots.

Wizard of Oz time I think, pull back the curtain and see the vested interests behind that curtain - or leave curtain alone and admire your "intelligence".

The EU has lots of bad news coming this year with finances screwed in various countries -July is time (in various EU website documents if you want to see - schedule). Further bail outs required. Europeean citizens are not happy themselves.